Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

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Before anyone says it, no, I don’t qualify for it, and even if I did, I personally wouldn’t take it. I completely accept that these medications have been genuinely life changing and incredibly helpful for a lot of people, and I’m not denying that at all.

But sometimes it feels like the idea of losing weight the old fashioned way, changing habits, eating differently, exercising, being consistent, is almost treated as outdated now. As if nobody wants to even attempt it anymore without medication being suggested within five seconds.

Surely not every conversation about weight loss has to involve injections?

You’ve not been keeping up with the research then? The reverse is true. And of course obesity has very serious long term consequences.

There is nothing more disordered than injecting yourself with a chemical to forget about eating and mess up your metabolism forever.

But you dont have to change anything! The drug does it, it takes away your appetite. The only hard bit is the payments surely?

sometimes it feels like the idea of losing weight the old fashioned way, changing habits, eating differently, exercising, being consistent, is almost treated as outdated now. As if nobody wants to even attempt it anymore without medication being suggested within five seconds.

Here. With your insinuation that overweight people haven't put any effort in to their weight loss attempts and just want to jump straight to a 'cheat'.

That's really not how it works. WLI users still need to eat healthily and exercise, it's not some kind of magic bullet. If people treat it as such, they're likely to put the weight back on.

You are judging in your use of old fashioned, consistency etc because you imply that using WLIs makes dieting easy. It doesn't. The work still needs to be done. It just shuts off the voice in your head demanding food continually. It's like being set free.

Would it be better if they stayed obese? It wouldn’t for them obviously, but would it for you for some reason?

btw obesity is a disease. Read “Why We Eat (Too Much) if you are interested in understanding it.

Urgh. You are being deliberately obtuse.

I can afford it. The payments are not an issue for me.

Not stuffing my face with unhealthy food and exercising is way more difficult. Years and years of ingrained habits that need undoing.

According to my obesity lecturer only about 1% of patients with obesity will ever become not obese through traditional weight loss methods. 5-10% lose a moderate amount of weight but will regain it within 5 years.

If we just look only at Class I obesity (BMI 30-34.9) this is 1 in 124 women (0.8%). On WLI this improves to 58%.

People suggest it because for the majority of people with obesity it is the only thing that has ever worked.

That’s not what I said at all. I literally acknowledged that these medications have been incredibly helpful for a lot of people.

My point was more that it now feels like WLIs get mentioned instantly in almost every weight loss conversation, even when someone is simply talking about trying to improve their habits themselves.

I’m classed as obese according to my BMI.

I don’t need these drugs to lose weight and nor will I take them. I’ve made some extremely difficult and permanent changes to my diet over the last few months and I’m losing weight slowly with a stone off so far. I’ve suffered with BED for a long time so this has been very hard to do.

I don’t blame others if they want to make this process easier by taking the drugs but a hell of a lot of money is being made off the premise that obesity is disease and medicine is needed to treat it.

But you need to do that on th4 drugs or you won’t succeed.

Yes. Many of us have tried lots of methods and they have not worked. Then we try a new method and has worked. Why on earth would we not suggest the method which has worked?

What part of taking WLIs stops a person having to improve their habits themselves? How do you perceive they work?

for those who go on too high a dose, absolutely, but we can easily see it is not the case for the overwhelming majority, who diet sensibly and lose weight at 1-2lbs a week

But again it is a disease and many do need a med to treat it. I’m genuinely glaf you can get the weight off and keep it off, for a lifetime, but not many are in the same boat as you.

I think it would be best to start reading up on th4 drugs if you don’t know how they work as you’re embarrassing yourself.

You can believe what you like and I’ll believe what I like and we’ll leave it there.

I wish you luck with your weight loss and hope you can get to a weight you are happy with and maintain it.

I’ve lost 5 stone on wli, feel fitter and healthier than I have for many years, am grateful that wli are available to me and have absolutely no problem that some businesses have made money from me. Some others (Tesco mainly 😂) are making much less money from me now on the other hand.

Seriously? You write with such moral superiority it's laughable. Medical textbooks, professional people with training recognise obesity as a disease.

That makes no logical sense. Obesity being a disease is a fact. There is no getting round a fact. It is not about belief. It’s like arguing the world is flat. Sure you can beleive it is. But it doesn’t make it true.

I agree it’s really annoying.

Half of the time I’ve read on here, the poster absolutely should not be taking WLI but if multiple posters are saying it then they’re of course going to start thinking that’s the best thing to do.

For some people they are a great alternative to surgery but for many people they will just make the situation worse in the long run.

What annoys me the most is when people get defensive if someone says anything negative about them.
1 woman ended up in hospital and multiple posters were being rude about it like it was a personal attack on them.

Or the thread the other day when someone said she had tried it and it didn't work for her then people still started piling in saying she should try it again.

Arguing that obesity isn’t a disease is just displaying ignorance of medical biology. The information is easily available to anyone who wants to understand. I recommend Andrew Jenkinson’s book. It’s probably not worth getting into an argument about whether basic medical biology is true with people who are not basing their views on information and knowledge.

”You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into”

I’m fine with being asked if I considered them, aside from the fact I’d prefer people minded their own business about my weight loss choices.

What bothers me is the inability to take no for an answer.

Whenever I said I’ve considered and decided against WLI, what usually follows is “yes but they did xyz for me.” Good for you, I’ve said no.

”Yes but the side effects are worth it for the loss.” Not for me they’re not.

“They really support a calorie deficit.” Great; so does… a calorie deficit, for me.

“People who lose without always put it back on.” Not always, and I’ll cross that bridge when I arrive at it.

“I don’t want to use them” never seems like a good enough answer for the more avid WLI users to accept, and where I come from - no is a complete sentence.