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To wish I’d never had children

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thegreenlight · Yesterday 20:11

I have 2 autistic/adhd boys 8 and 13. The eldest has been difficult all his life, spiky and hard to please. Awful behaviour at school from nursery. Behaving inappropriately with others. He hates talking about anything other than his interests and struggles with friendships but very bright. Currently out of school due to mental health issues and we are waiting for his EHCP to come through. I genuinely can’t think of a single time I have been proud of him like a normal mum would be. No awards, sports, good reports, friendships. Everything has been fraught and hard. Youngest is the opposite, developmentally delayed and very loving but again, no sports, friends or normal activities. He too misbehaves at school.

My eldest was just shouting about no one understanding him, how nothing ever goes right for him and how his life is so awful and my husband said after when I was upset ‘they’ll grow up and leave and then it will be just us again’. So what was the point? Why bother having them? I never wanted children, my husband did and basically gave me an ultimatum that at some time in his life he wanted children. We waited until I was 30 and had been married 9 years. I just wish I hadn’t caved. I take very little joy in them. My life has been such a mistake.

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MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend · Today 12:03

Hi OP, I also have two autistic DS's and I'm also autistic. Eldest was also very difficult in a similar way to your eldest. He's 23 now and although he's still not got a job and spends most of his time in his room (he has a rare non 24 hour sleep disorder), he's actually really nice now. I think they develop a bit more empathy if you are more honest about how your feel (obviously within reason!!). Youngest DS is just about the finish a computer science degree so something good has come out of his screen addiction.

What I would say is to try to reduce the amount of energy you're throwing their way or you'll end up chronically ill. I speak from experience. I feel like the 'universe' is playing some sort of cruel practical joke on me and I often look up at the sky and shout 'Help me!!' or I get really cross at the hand I've been dealt. Thing is, I have solved a few problems, but this non 24 hour thing is beyond me. I cannot fix everything for them and don't have that much control. I see it as a lesson.

But back to your main point, I do wish I hadn't had children because they don't have much of a life, especially eldest DS. And now I'm chronically ill and trapped in this situation where I'm trying to support them financially and I currently have no income. I feel this pressure to keep going for them and I want to give up and don't want to be here. You can always message me if you want to chat (although I'm terrible at looking in inbox!!).

Bloozie · Today 12:54

Sending you a HUGE hug. I don't know what else to do. You sound very committed and very loving as a parent - but also so, so sad. Maybe it helps to know that I understand how you feel, I don't believe you're a bad mother, or that you're doing anything other than giving your sons every single thing they need, physically and emotionally.

I'd maybe consider counselling to see how you can deal with the grief around the life you don't have, and maybe how to reframe your boys' achievements so you can find the little moments of pride.

But mostly - hug hugs x

Anonymouse27 · Today 13:07

I don't know if you're wanting advice. I definitely think you could do with support and some sort of something for yourself. There is no magic wand, and funds/services are dwindling but I did best with Local Authorities unpaid carers support organisation and a carers assessment.
https://www.carersuk.org/help-and-advice/practical-support/carers-assessment/

Carer's assessment | Carers UK

https://www.carersuk.org/help-and-advice/practical-support/carers-assessment

WeatherOrNothing · Today 14:06

Gosh op, how incredibly hard. My heart goes out to you. Just take each day as it comes, getting through each day as a win.

TheBlueKoala · Today 14:09

Sartre · Today 11:29

She should keep working. If she’s anything like me, work will be her escape. Sitting around ruminating at home while they’re at school will make her feel ten times worse.

If it helps her she should def continue. If she has a job that she hates it could be worth exploring her options to go pt/stop because she sounds like a burnout waiting to happen. I know that for some work is an escape but for some it's just adding to the burden.

Girlwithavibe · Today 14:20

bafta16 · Today 09:11

Stupid and unhelpful comment.

It may be stupid to u but at the heart of the matter are 2 children who the op says she wishes she never had ! So I feel it's a valid point that these children have feelings 😞

EvieBB · Today 14:36

Girlwithavibe · Today 14:20

It may be stupid to u but at the heart of the matter are 2 children who the op says she wishes she never had ! So I feel it's a valid point that these children have feelings 😞

You're right, but it's just adding to mum's guilt....and she has enough of that already - which is why she's probably burnt out in the first place. She cares too much if that's possible. There is no easy answer here... :(

Anonymouse27 · Today 14:43

Girlwithavibe · Today 14:20

It may be stupid to u but at the heart of the matter are 2 children who the op says she wishes she never had ! So I feel it's a valid point that these children have feelings 😞

You clearly don’t have children who find all aspects of daily life a struggle, who work a million times harder to achieve a fraction of what most kids take for granted, who are deeply distressed every single day and there is no way to help them. You have to fight for every bit of help in your own. You love them very much and they rely on you. One day you die then what will happen to them. You have to try to plan for that to.

When that is your every day parenting reality, it’s reasonable to feel overwhelmed and perhaps bringing them into the world was not the best thing.

Girlwithavibe · Today 14:44

EvieBB · Today 14:36

You're right, but it's just adding to mum's guilt....and she has enough of that already - which is why she's probably burnt out in the first place. She cares too much if that's possible. There is no easy answer here... :(

Exactly there is no easy answer but there are children involved and they only have mum and dad !
Op is the mum in this situation and yes she hasn't had it easy and I have alot of sympathy for her but she does have 2 children and they need to feel emotionally stable regardless of she is coping or not if she can't give them what they needs maybe she should look into respite care and have some help or contact social services for help ! X

WeaselPop · Today 14:44

SpidersAreShitheads · Today 10:18

Every SEN mum I know is on meds for anxiety or depression. That’s not a coincidence. It’s very hard, and relentless.

I have 16 yr old twins, both autistic. DS still in nappies. One if not both will be with me for life. I’m AuDHD too. I say this just to underline that I do understand.

You sound stuck wishing for a life you never had. I really think counselling would help because although it won’t change your reality, it would help you to work through those feelings of grief and resentment.

I sometimes think I’m quite lucky actually. I read posts on here from parents trying to navigate typical teen angst and dramas and I’m grateful that I’m never going to have to deal with that.

My DC aren’t going to parties and getting drunk, they’re not at risk of taking drugs, I don’t have to stress about sex/teen pregnancies. No panicking because they’re not at a friend’s house where they said they would be. (And no judgement implied at all - I was a wayward teen that probably drive my DM to the brink of insanity!)

The way I see it is yes, it’s harder in many ways, but in others, it’s easier. Swings and roundabouts.

And although you are still in the trenches at the moment, I bet it was even harder when they were younger. I find that it’s easy to forget how hard things were before because you’re too ground down trying to deal with the here and now,

Yes, your DC may be with you for longer but you sound as if you have a great plan for that. It does get easier as they mature - and you won’t have the constant battle with the LA/schools either. That is so incredibly draining. You probably don’t even realise how much it takes out of you. I didn’t until I didn’t have to do it any more.

I think your GP needs to review your meds as you sound incredibly depressed. You could also ask about counselling at the same time although if you have the finances private counselling is a better option.

Connecting with other SEN parents would really really help you. And maybe your DC too. If you’re in Gloucestershire, DM me.

Also, are you ND too? That’s something worth considering.

I know it’s hard to see right now but it sounds as if your DC have lots of positive attributes. It’s just hard to see that right now because you’re feeling so overwhelmed.

People always tell me to do something for me too but I find it hard and just another thing that I’m not achieving. But what I have found happiness in is sticking my AirPods in and going for a walk for an hour. Simple, easy, flexible - but I really miss it when I don’t do it.

Sending 💐

I have an AUDHD son and stepdaughter who lives with us full time, I have a very happy and fulfilled life, I’m certainly not on medication or even close to needing medication for depression, anxiety or any other mood disorder.

I’m not sure it’s a good thing to imply that looking after a disabled child leads to mental health problems.

BlackRowan · Today 14:44

I’m so sorry OP. You don’t deserve a kicking at all.

you definitely need to prioritise yourself and do something for yourself only. Have your own friends just for yourself.

i also think it’s unfair that your husband is dealing with 0% SEN fight and aspects. You need to reassign some tasks to him and drop the rope.
In fact you may need to just allow to drop the rope a bit in general on the accommodation and etc SEN battle. It doesn’t look like it’s really making a massive difference so maybe temporarily at least you can allow yourself that?

It would be also good if you had access to therapy just for yourself.

Girlwithavibe · Today 14:48

Anonymouse27 · Today 14:43

You clearly don’t have children who find all aspects of daily life a struggle, who work a million times harder to achieve a fraction of what most kids take for granted, who are deeply distressed every single day and there is no way to help them. You have to fight for every bit of help in your own. You love them very much and they rely on you. One day you die then what will happen to them. You have to try to plan for that to.

When that is your every day parenting reality, it’s reasonable to feel overwhelmed and perhaps bringing them into the world was not the best thing.

Actually I do ! I have a grown up son with ADHD he has a successful career and he has struggled all throu school social.situations abusing cannabis and even had OCD ! It's hard I am not saying it isn't !
But these children no matter how your feeling need to feel like they matter and loved ! No matter what they can and can't do u should be proud !!

SadTimesInFife · Today 14:50

Just walk out and leave them all. Send maintenance. Or not.
Change your name and move country.
Life's short.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · Today 14:53

SadTimesInFife · Today 14:50

Just walk out and leave them all. Send maintenance. Or not.
Change your name and move country.
Life's short.

Blimey, I think you were joking... 😳😖

Anonymouse27 · Today 15:09

Girlwithavibe · Today 14:48

Actually I do ! I have a grown up son with ADHD he has a successful career and he has struggled all throu school social.situations abusing cannabis and even had OCD ! It's hard I am not saying it isn't !
But these children no matter how your feeling need to feel like they matter and loved ! No matter what they can and can't do u should be proud !!

OP hasn't said she doesn't love her kids. You keep saying that.

And completely genuinely and perhaps a different thread so as not to hijack this one. If you have genuinely had a child like the ones we are describing and he now has a "successful career" - I would like to know how and what that looks like. I didn't think it was possible.

Sunglade · Today 15:22

What you've described sounds very difficult but I wouldn't say it's not worthwhile. You're probably burnt out with the effort physically, emotionally and mentally that comes with raising SEND children. You can regret having them but you can't change it. I'm sorry OP, I hope that you find some ways your efforts have been worthwhile, I'm sure your boys think your effort has been worth it, you will be their whole world.

Maraa · Today 15:55

x2boys · Today 08:25

If you work in a SEN school you surely must be aware its not a one size fits all solution nor is it a guranteed and simple proces to get respite ?

If you read my post, clearly it is only a suggestion which some parents may not be aware is an option.
not sure why you have a bee in your bonnet about my comment? The op is struggling and I simply offered something that may be worth looking into, that’s all… every case in different and unique clearly however as op is sounding desperate, showing that there could be potential solutions to help, not sure why that’s a bad thing

Katiesaidthat · Today 15:58

tallulahlulah · Yesterday 22:21

Name change as I'm going to sound awful here.

There can be an alternative @thegreenlight. Not for everyone, but for some.

We have four DCs, all of which are ND to some degree but two severely.

My eldest DS is now 18. He has autism and ADHD and has been violent and unmanageable all his life. Like OP describes, he has never has a friend and has not been invited to a single birthday party in all those years. He is capable of mainstream school but was constantly in trouble. He was excluded from schools three times (or would have been, but each time the HM called us in for the "we're not sure this is the right school" conversation so we jumped before we were pushed). At home he was aggressive towards DH and me and frequently physically assaulted his three younger siblings. DH intervened when it got physical (only to prevent him getting to them) but as DS approached adulthood it became clear that DH (in his 50s) may not always have been able to protect them. For the last two or three years we didn't cope in any meaningful way and in the end we allowed him to spend all his time he wasn't at school in his room because he was sort of happy and that was easier. Nobody cared. Since he was five we had door after door slammed shut, no support whatsoever.

When he was 17 and a half his college suggested we try adult services at our local council and they have been amazing. They couldn't do anything formal until he turned 18 but they could help us prepare and days after his 18th birthday DS moved into supported housing about 45 minutes away from us, initially for short week placement in a special unit to help young people transition and then into a "permanent" home with four other young men and full time support. This is all funded via UC and housing support.

We speak to him every day and typically see him about twice a week for a couple of hours, either to take him out for lunch or because he has an appointment or, to be honest, because he is in trouble. He shouts and swears at us as he always did, but somehow it's manageable as we return to a calmer house and he goes to his. The carers who live in the house in shifts are saints.

I know this will sound like we are terrible people and have failed him as parents, but to be honest I think this is the solution that has given us an option to continue in a relationship with him. Otherwise I just don't know how we would have coped with things on the downward trajectory they were on.

I guess I am posting this because OP's DH said they will eventually move out and lots of people have doubted that. It may not be possible, or appropriate, or desirable for many, but it can happen. OP's description of life with her DS struck a lot of chords with our own experience so I thought I would share a tiny bit of our own trainwreck journey.

Bracing myself to be torn to shreds.

Why would you be torn to shreds? Someone should walk quite a few miles in your shoes before commenting shouldn´t they?
I think you found the best solution all round for your adult son.

SpidersAreShitheads · Today 17:02

WeaselPop · Today 14:44

I have an AUDHD son and stepdaughter who lives with us full time, I have a very happy and fulfilled life, I’m certainly not on medication or even close to needing medication for depression, anxiety or any other mood disorder.

I’m not sure it’s a good thing to imply that looking after a disabled child leads to mental health problems.

I’m happy for you, genuinely.

I used to run a local SEN group and my circle is entirely made up of SEN mums. I don’t know anyone who isn’t taking medication. You might not like what I’m saying and that’s your prerogative. But it doesn’t make what I said any less true.

And if you read the rest of my post I was actually really positive about raising ND children.

But let’s not pretend that raising SEN children isn’t incredibly stressful - and I don’t even mean because of the children. Again, as I mentioned in my previous comment, trying to get the right provision for them is utterly exhausting. And for some parents, the fight against the LA and/or the school can go on for YEARS. Add in the financial pressures of many SEN parents not being able to work a 9-5 regular job because their child needs more support and regular childcare not being available to SEN children, and the current rhetoric around slashing benefits and “autistic children just need proper parenting” and you have the perfect storm.

If you have been able to navigate all of this unblemished, you’re lucky. And that’s great for you. But that’s certainly not the case for the majority and I don’t think it’s helpful for the OP or others in trying to pretend otherwise.

bafta16 · Today 17:03

Girlwithavibe · Today 14:20

It may be stupid to u but at the heart of the matter are 2 children who the op says she wishes she never had ! So I feel it's a valid point that these children have feelings 😞

The children have feelings but right now as a woman and a Mum my heart goes out to OP.

She can't send them back. She can invest in herself.

ThePieceHall · Today 17:06

@thegreenlight

Thank you for your extreme honesty. Please, I would urge you to read up on blocked care and secondary trauma. You are clearly trying to pour from an empty cup. I recognise so much of what you write. Sending you care, sympathy, empathy and solidarity.

Mumtobabyhavoc · Today 17:43

SadTimesInFife · Today 14:50

Just walk out and leave them all. Send maintenance. Or not.
Change your name and move country.
Life's short.

Another gem from a caring individual. 🙄

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