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To wish I’d never had children

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thegreenlight · Yesterday 20:11

I have 2 autistic/adhd boys 8 and 13. The eldest has been difficult all his life, spiky and hard to please. Awful behaviour at school from nursery. Behaving inappropriately with others. He hates talking about anything other than his interests and struggles with friendships but very bright. Currently out of school due to mental health issues and we are waiting for his EHCP to come through. I genuinely can’t think of a single time I have been proud of him like a normal mum would be. No awards, sports, good reports, friendships. Everything has been fraught and hard. Youngest is the opposite, developmentally delayed and very loving but again, no sports, friends or normal activities. He too misbehaves at school.

My eldest was just shouting about no one understanding him, how nothing ever goes right for him and how his life is so awful and my husband said after when I was upset ‘they’ll grow up and leave and then it will be just us again’. So what was the point? Why bother having them? I never wanted children, my husband did and basically gave me an ultimatum that at some time in his life he wanted children. We waited until I was 30 and had been married 9 years. I just wish I hadn’t caved. I take very little joy in them. My life has been such a mistake.

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Paramaribo2025 · Yesterday 23:39

Autism is highly genetic. Do you or your husband have it too?

Caplin · Yesterday 23:44

Not sure if what I say. An be helpful. Both my younger siblings were autistic, one was also ADHD and oppositional defiance, the other was obsessed with gang culture and drugs and had arrested development at 16.

You may have your kids with you for many years to come, they may not cope in the world. My youngest sibling never coped. He stayed at home into his thirties and sadly his addictions killed him.

My sister has had a few false starts in life, had to come home a few times, needed bailed out many times. But she is coping as a single parent escaping and abusing marriage.

So it is hard, you may be juggling this for many years to come, maybe forever. But my sister has finally graduated, she is doing great, her kids are great, her diagnosis means we all now understand her better.

SwirlingAroundSleep · Yesterday 23:47

Is there an autism hub or something near to you? We have one and it has regular events as well as links specifically to a PODS group with events for families of children with special needs. Just a suggestion if you’re looking for somewhere that your children can fit in and you can perhaps meet other parents who sympathise.

I deeply wanted children and have step children, one of whom is autistic and ADHD and I knew it the first day I met him (even though he was undiagnosed I knew in minutes) but I still chose to love him anyway. It’s incredibly hard at times, even though his dad does almost everything for him, but I know I chose to have him in my life. I can’t imagine how hard it is when you didn’t really want to be a parent in the first place.

tallulahlulah · Yesterday 23:59

tallulahlulah · Yesterday 22:21

Name change as I'm going to sound awful here.

There can be an alternative @thegreenlight. Not for everyone, but for some.

We have four DCs, all of which are ND to some degree but two severely.

My eldest DS is now 18. He has autism and ADHD and has been violent and unmanageable all his life. Like OP describes, he has never has a friend and has not been invited to a single birthday party in all those years. He is capable of mainstream school but was constantly in trouble. He was excluded from schools three times (or would have been, but each time the HM called us in for the "we're not sure this is the right school" conversation so we jumped before we were pushed). At home he was aggressive towards DH and me and frequently physically assaulted his three younger siblings. DH intervened when it got physical (only to prevent him getting to them) but as DS approached adulthood it became clear that DH (in his 50s) may not always have been able to protect them. For the last two or three years we didn't cope in any meaningful way and in the end we allowed him to spend all his time he wasn't at school in his room because he was sort of happy and that was easier. Nobody cared. Since he was five we had door after door slammed shut, no support whatsoever.

When he was 17 and a half his college suggested we try adult services at our local council and they have been amazing. They couldn't do anything formal until he turned 18 but they could help us prepare and days after his 18th birthday DS moved into supported housing about 45 minutes away from us, initially for short week placement in a special unit to help young people transition and then into a "permanent" home with four other young men and full time support. This is all funded via UC and housing support.

We speak to him every day and typically see him about twice a week for a couple of hours, either to take him out for lunch or because he has an appointment or, to be honest, because he is in trouble. He shouts and swears at us as he always did, but somehow it's manageable as we return to a calmer house and he goes to his. The carers who live in the house in shifts are saints.

I know this will sound like we are terrible people and have failed him as parents, but to be honest I think this is the solution that has given us an option to continue in a relationship with him. Otherwise I just don't know how we would have coped with things on the downward trajectory they were on.

I guess I am posting this because OP's DH said they will eventually move out and lots of people have doubted that. It may not be possible, or appropriate, or desirable for many, but it can happen. OP's description of life with her DS struck a lot of chords with our own experience so I thought I would share a tiny bit of our own trainwreck journey.

Bracing myself to be torn to shreds.

And to be clear, I said a calmer house, not a calm house.

Our third child, DD (15) came home from school today and announced that "I need a new phone and I'm not paying for it", and dropped a Tesco food bag containing an iPhone in about 16 pieces onto the kitchen table.

So, what happened? I asked.

"I wasn't having a good day and the phone was in my hand so I smashed it."

She has an EHCP but no diagnosis. Is not autistic according to the psych. So far oppositional defiant disorder is our best guess, but that comes from the teachers at her special school and is not an official diagnosis. It translates into "every day is war".

I respect all of the parents on here who relay awful stories but still insist "I love them with every bit of my heart".

I will confess I have moments of doubt.

OneFineDay22 · Yesterday 23:59

Did you have a traumatic birth? PND often follows a traumatic birth, and trauma therapy can have a huge effect on ASD and ADHD etc.

Therapy in general might be a good idea.

Also, there is nothing in it for parents, really. You’ve supported your kids interests which is all anyone with sporty award winning kids would be doing. I wasn’t sporty or award winning. Loads of kids aren’t. And if I had been, how would that have been “something in it” for my DM?

DefiantRabbit9 · Today 00:02

VeterinaryCareAssistant · Yesterday 20:15

How does your husband even think they'll leave home? How does he think they'll afford to?

It's possible my brother was diagnosed with Asperger's in the 90's when they were just considered 'slow' or 'odd'. He works in finance and has a fully paid off flat which he keeps on top of. They don't like change so you pretty much have to coax them out.

Itsnotfunbeingobtuse · Today 00:07

thegreenlight · Yesterday 20:20

I wish I hadn’t - I have poured so much in to get so little out. I have no mum friends as their behaviour is so odd we never get invited anywhere. No parties, no play dates. I have been on edge and hyper vigilant for triggers and risks for so so long. I’m just so tired.

Do either you or your husband have autism/adhd? As I think if you are, you should have known the likelihood of your children having these too and could have made informed decisions pre-babies and not regret them now. Remember, they didn’t ask to be born and deserve two loving parents who want them no matter their behaviour.

Are your children on medication for their ADHD? I’ve seen the transformations in children once they are. It’s a much more pleasant and peaceful life for them rather than everyone hating on their behaviour which is out of their control.

Schnapps00 · Today 00:07

tallulahlulah · Yesterday 22:21

Name change as I'm going to sound awful here.

There can be an alternative @thegreenlight. Not for everyone, but for some.

We have four DCs, all of which are ND to some degree but two severely.

My eldest DS is now 18. He has autism and ADHD and has been violent and unmanageable all his life. Like OP describes, he has never has a friend and has not been invited to a single birthday party in all those years. He is capable of mainstream school but was constantly in trouble. He was excluded from schools three times (or would have been, but each time the HM called us in for the "we're not sure this is the right school" conversation so we jumped before we were pushed). At home he was aggressive towards DH and me and frequently physically assaulted his three younger siblings. DH intervened when it got physical (only to prevent him getting to them) but as DS approached adulthood it became clear that DH (in his 50s) may not always have been able to protect them. For the last two or three years we didn't cope in any meaningful way and in the end we allowed him to spend all his time he wasn't at school in his room because he was sort of happy and that was easier. Nobody cared. Since he was five we had door after door slammed shut, no support whatsoever.

When he was 17 and a half his college suggested we try adult services at our local council and they have been amazing. They couldn't do anything formal until he turned 18 but they could help us prepare and days after his 18th birthday DS moved into supported housing about 45 minutes away from us, initially for short week placement in a special unit to help young people transition and then into a "permanent" home with four other young men and full time support. This is all funded via UC and housing support.

We speak to him every day and typically see him about twice a week for a couple of hours, either to take him out for lunch or because he has an appointment or, to be honest, because he is in trouble. He shouts and swears at us as he always did, but somehow it's manageable as we return to a calmer house and he goes to his. The carers who live in the house in shifts are saints.

I know this will sound like we are terrible people and have failed him as parents, but to be honest I think this is the solution that has given us an option to continue in a relationship with him. Otherwise I just don't know how we would have coped with things on the downward trajectory they were on.

I guess I am posting this because OP's DH said they will eventually move out and lots of people have doubted that. It may not be possible, or appropriate, or desirable for many, but it can happen. OP's description of life with her DS struck a lot of chords with our own experience so I thought I would share a tiny bit of our own trainwreck journey.

Bracing myself to be torn to shreds.

Couldn't read and not stop to say what a great set up it sounds like your son has, and very sensible all round. Perhaps he loves having his (relative) independence like any 18 year old? Don't beat yourself up for a second, just because adult children need extra support doesn't mean it needs to all come from parents. Same can be true for older relatives, some people run themselves into the ground caring for them, but it can thoroughly ruin the relationship.

Dragonflyspeeding · Today 00:07

thegreenlight · Yesterday 21:41

I don’t know what ‘me’ time is any more. I don’t know who I am. Ive changed careers, lost weight, learnt to play an instrument, but nothing gives me joy as it’s just treading water before the next crisis. My brain is always elsewhere worrying about them. I get no peace.

This is how I've always felt since having kids.
I think I might have managed it with one. But doing it all a second time, going through all the crisis, trauma and drama. I sincerely wish I'd never had children.

Calliopespa · Today 00:15

thegreenlight · Yesterday 20:20

I wish I hadn’t - I have poured so much in to get so little out. I have no mum friends as their behaviour is so odd we never get invited anywhere. No parties, no play dates. I have been on edge and hyper vigilant for triggers and risks for so so long. I’m just so tired.

I'm sorry Op, that sounds really hard and this is a very honest thread. I am sure many people might feel similarly in similar circumstances.

My hope for you is that things change. We can never give up on our dc as parents, and that job is easier for some than others. But there may be joys round the corner you don't expect. Your youngest is loving: that is something some parents never get to experience.

And I hope this is helpful but all parents find it tough at times. Some may have less reason to, but I think everyone has moments when dc seem very "style-cramping" and hard work. You are not alone.

Morrisons26 · Today 00:22

I’m so sorry OP. I know the loneliness. It’s so very very hard watching them
struggle and seeing how other parents seem to have a very different experience while you instead mourn and feel sad and defeated.

i sometimes feel I can’t face another day of it. The sadness, the rejection, the relentlessness of it all with no hope.

I’ve had a lot of therapy which has helped a bit. I found a therapy called acceptance and commitment therapy. It’s helped a bit. I hope you can find some relief, somewhere. It sounds like you need some time away, just for you with a good friend.

fruitfly3 · Today 00:36

Hand hold OP. Totally reasonable to feel like that - for you and for them. Parenting ND children is gruelling with the challenges complex and largely difficult to overcome. It’s lonely, sad and frustrating. With the benefit of hindsight, you’d never choose to put yourself through that again. I don’t have advice but I’m sorry you are feeling so terrible. You’re not alone.

3luckystars · Today 01:25

thegreenlight · Yesterday 20:20

I wish I hadn’t - I have poured so much in to get so little out. I have no mum friends as their behaviour is so odd we never get invited anywhere. No parties, no play dates. I have been on edge and hyper vigilant for triggers and risks for so so long. I’m just so tired.

That’s all it is. You are exhausted from it. It’s so so hard. But you gave it everything and that was the point.

Don’t let it change you. You are a person who made a huge effort for their children, despite no rewards.

They are lucky they got you. Mind yourself, rest and try and recover.

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