To think there are people who play the system to get detained under the mental health act

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Seen a lot of it on tik tom people
lyinf in hospital beds after purposefully getting themselves detained by the police smiling and laughing

Yes, there was the SIM thing. I was under it. It was awful.

I was sectioned once.

Of the 30 people in my unit I probably became ‘close’ with around 12- 15ish. It’s a weird word because they weren’t friends but when you are stuck together for a month 24/7 then you do get to know people.

3 people were there who wanted to be. One wanted a holiday from prison so went mental and smashed their face into a wall, one was a mother who she never said it but it was clear to me she just wanted respite from her children, another who was pretty unstable but told me she gets herself sectioned occasionally so she can use it for evidence to get her debts wiped.

All pretty miserable if you ask me. You have to have a pretty shit life to want to be sectioned in an insane asylum.

Yes but then I’ve been accused in this thread of being jealous and it showing I don’t need to be there because I mention others. Don’t think that shows that am all

Yes but then I’ve been accused in this thread of being jealous and it showing I don’t need to be there because I mention others. Don’t think that shows that am all

But what do you want?

People have been saying that because that is how you are coming across.

I have to be careful about how much specific detail I give. Even though this is 10+ years ago, it's still possible to identify distinct individuals due to piecing together information, so I'm going to be a bit vague, but here goes -

The last person I recall lobbying for admission when it was clear they didn't actually need it, was someone with a completely chaotic home environment. Formerly an addict, in the Methadone program, a suspicion they were still using but not injecting, learning difficulties, being taken advantage of by other users, also with a serious life-long MH diagnosis. They allegedly wanted to cut down the prescription of anti-psychotics and benzodiazepines, psychiatry was generally supportive of this in principle because they were taking an inordinate quantity, but the individual was adamant this would only happen if they were under supervision in a locked ward. Initial response from the hospital was "absolutely not", but they persisted to the point whereby they caved in and agreed to a voluntary admission. A repeat customer indeed, and to this day I'm still unsure about their motivations because I'm deeply sceptical they did actually want to get off the Benzos. AFAIK the admission actually ran into months, but I had no further contact with the individual afterward so I'm unsure of the outcome.

Forgive me if I'm wrong and talking out of line OP, but it comes across as though you might be struggling right now and also struggling with possibly being denied care you need whilst seeing others, who you perhaps feel may not need the help as much as others or are exaggerating the extent of it and it's angering you and making you feel a bit shit about things? Which is completely understandable. I know how the NHS and MH services can be towards you once the letters BPD/EUPD appear on your medical records (Ahem...even when not accurate)

The things is with TikTok or really another other kind of social media is...it's edited. It's there to fulfill a narrative. And in actual reality that real narrative might not be as dramatic or interesting as the video makes it out to be...I think what I'm trying to say is don't take everything online at face value. And as they often say "comparison is the thief of joy" but critically you are comparing your personal very real experience with people posting perhaps cherry picked/edited parts of life.

I'm sorry that you quite possibly haven't gotten the help you should have, truth is MH services are stretched beyond capacity so I do understand why this situation makes a you feel the ay you do. But at the same time I genuinely think the cases of someone faking or exaggerating to the point of actually being involuntarily sectioned are few and far between.

Detained under the mental health act is the correct term

Detained under the mental health act is the correct term in Scotland

EUPD is a mental health disorder so likely that they are unwell although their actions can be behavioural and lack any intent, most professionals are trained to tell the difference and if a pattern of behaviour emerges they would not be detained. Most people that are so distressed that they are trying to get detained are unwell and have previous trauma or are care experienced young adults

Do you think accessing this type of social media content is helping you?

If someone is determined not to get any help by lying to the people trying to help them then no treatment is going to be effective. If someone says they are safe but then end up in hospital with horrific injuries due to an attempt then they would be detained regardless of whether they then said they were safe.

If they have the capacity to make that decision & choose to lie about their thoughts & feelings then that's their responsibility.

If someone says they are safe to be at home & are showing they are safe at home then for a start why would they need to be detained & secondly they wouldnt be able to be sectioned as there is a less restrictive option available.

Being repeatedly detained on s136 & s2 doesn't result in any help, in fact it's a barrier to accessing support & therapy as someone needs to be stable enough & safe enough to engage with it.

Not necessarily. Theres a lot of cross over between bipolar, schizoaffective, EUPD & cPTSD.
They are all spectrums rather than a fixed diagnosis.

Well I know in this case she has eupd

I’ve seen people that have been in comas be discharged. Yet someone hanging around on a car park gets detained doesn’t make sense really

How do I for stating facts? I think anyone would wonder why they are constantly dischargiing certain people with nothing. You’ve even said you used to
comapre did that mean you didn’t need an admission? If people are telling me I can’t judge if people need admission or not how can people judge me? Feels like double standards again much like how the amhp service work.

They get detained but that's not the same as getting therapy.

Someone needs to be stable & out of crisis before being accepted for treatment such as inpatient PD rehab or DBT.

You are confusing 'getting help' with being detained in a crisis.

Would you feel better if you had a bigger 'section count' then your tiktok idols?

If the person has obviously recovered from the coma and is stable & not at risk of doing it again then why should they not be allowed home.

If someone has been talked down from a car park then they obviously need protecting.

Sectioning isn't a 'reward' or 'validation' it's based on capacity & risk.

Why would the police be smiling and laughing.

Basically if you want to be detained then it’s a clear indication that you should not be. Detention under MHA is for people lacking insight and refusing care not those desperately seeking it. If you want treatment then why would you need to be forced??

Also the treatment for EUPD is therapy which is not available as an inpatient aside from a few super specialist units which are not accessed via repeated S136 detentions. Repeated S136 detentions do not contribute to anyone’s recovery and are nothing to be envious of.

Yes this is the point I’m making someone saying they will be sectioned and laughing about it isn’t someone who needs to be detained. Also had someone in my area be offered an informal admission and then say they would be safer sectioned so they detained them this isn’t what it’s for..

Things can change very rapidly when someone is having a mental health crisis
Just becsuse someone agrees to informal admission doesnt mean they wont change their minds , meaning detention needs to be considered.

Not necessarily. The most common sections are s136 which is police power to remove someone they believe to be suffering from a mental disorder from a public place to a place of safety, section 2 which is for assessment (not treatment) & then section 5(4) and 5(2) which are holding powers by a nurse of doctor to allow for a MHA assessment. None of these are to force treatment.

Section 3 is for treatment.

She had been begging for admission she wanted it there were no doubts. The Cmht said no as they know it doesn’t work the psych liaison team also said no as same as the Cmht they know. She then got herself detained on a section 5’2 in a general in order to get a mental health act assessment which lead to the admission. Hence me thinking mutiple people do it on purpose