To think there are people who play the system to get detained under the mental health act

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Seen a lot of it on tik tom people
lyinf in hospital beds after purposefully getting themselves detained by the police smiling and laughing

I've already covered the people I've seen do this further back in the thread, but generally it's because their life circumstances in the community are so dysfunctional they see hospital as a place of sanctuary and respite.

Why on earh would somebody want to deliberetly get themselves detained?
I used to be a mental health nurse and worked on acute wards for years
They are not places anyone wants to be
They csn be loud , chaotic nobody goes there for a fun day out.

Yes OP, because our MH system is so notoriously easy to play. I mean, it’s over run with all the Consultants, nurses, etc that makes this so simple.
People who are literally in psychosis and at risk of harming themselves and/or others can’t even get sectioned; I doubt an ‘influencer’ can manage it smiling and laughing.
Seriously, give your head a wobble.

I’ve been a registered mental nurse RMN for 31 years. I’ve worked in inpatient care my whole career. Forensics, acute wards, intensive care wards. I’ve also been detained on a section 2 and a section 3 of the MHA when I’ve been unwell. So I’ve seen it from both sides and really don’t recognise what you are saying.
Tomorrow I will go and manage a ward looking after the 10 mostly unwell men in my part of the country. Not one of them wants to be in hospital. I’ve never wanted to be in hospital.
People in hospital are much more unwell than they were 30 years ago due to the lack of beds. People are left in the community to become more unwell as there are no beds, 30 years ago we admitted people much earlier in their deterioration as we had the beds to do that.
I quickly lose insight when unwell so would not agree to admission as I feel I am ok. So I end up being sectioned.
mental health is hugely complex. Just because you understand your illness and struggles does not mean you have any understanding of others.
Don’t judge others. Professionals are trained to assess and diagnose illness and complete risk assessments. Let them do their job.

She's changed the date on it for a start - was discharged from the previous one in a few days.

Yes people like her exist but I've been in & out of mental health services for 20+ years & met 100's of other patients but come across a handful of people like her. I would say it's a munchausesns type illness & although mostly physical illnesses are put on rarely it can be mental health too.

Kirsten cunningham is a whole new level 😡🤮 How on earth is she not been prosecuted for all that nonsense.

Sorry you’ve been unwell, I think it’s well know what people with eupd can be like though and that hospital isn’t the answer

I imagine the amhps probably feel intimidated by the threats of harm and have to cover themselves

You are not qualified to say what can and can not help people with EUPD

I remember years ago a guy saying to us that his lawyers said plead mentally incompetent or whatever the words that you need to say to avoid prison. He was in a fairly open mental facility and did get released pretty quickly. I was a child at the time and we met these people frequently where we were playing (gave us fruit sometimes!) and they would chat to us, dread to think now, some of them were definitely not safe

Try rephrasing that with 'survivors of childhood sexual abuse' which is essentially what EUPD is.

"I think it's well known what people who have survived childhood sexual abuse can be like..."

Or other versions I've heard :

"People with EUPD survivors of childhood abuse are so manipulative , calculated & attention seeking'

Everybody who suffers from EUPD/CPTSD is different. Their struggles are different as are their strengths. We assess the patient not the diagnosis.
Also, never forget, people with EUPD/CPTSD can also have other mental illnesses. EUPD/CPTSD doesn’t make you immune to depression or bipolar or psychosis.
Let the professionals assess the person, not the diagnosis, and let them make appropriate decisions. Don’t judge anybody until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes.

EUPD has a lot of stigma. If you have it on your medical record, you are treated differently even when it is for a physical health problem.

Picture (when it's approved) of a real life NHS health based place of safety (section 136 suite).

An improvement on a police custody suite but definitely not a holiday. You would have to be seriously unwell or terrified of something to want to be detained there.

Edit-sorry I misread the post and thinking you were the other poster who is saying detaining and sections are different.

This!

And with that childhood abuse is often ND, CPTSD and mis diagnosis of EUPD. Which nobody wants because of the huge stigma with EUPD as shown in the OP.

Op is talking nonsense and clearly out to attack those with EUPD.My autistic son has tried to kill himself multiple times after childhood abuse and rape. I’ve begged staff in A&E to section him to keep him safe to no avail.

I first tried to get him treatment for CPTSD over 10 years ago. He’s still waiting and battling. Now he’s got an EUPD diagnosis I can see he has the stigma and hatred on top of abuse and ND to battle.

The system is completely broken and it’s shameful.

Well most guidelines are that
people with eupd shouldn’t really be in hospital. especially people who will enagae in the same if not worse behaviours.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I have repeatedly said that being "sectioned" is being subject to part of the MHA.

I’m not trying to attack anyone with eupd.
in fact I’ve been attacked when posting about my struggles and acussed of having eupd told I don’t need certain things based off the views I had eupd…

Behaviours! They’re unwell traumatised untreated people.

Yes, general NICE guidelines say about hospital not being helpful for people with EUPD. But most people with EUPD have other conditions that could put them in hospital anyway.
In any case, unless you work in MH, why do you care?
If you are in hospital, then why are you arguing this?
Work on your own recovery.

When they are actively suicidal hospital is exactly where they should be. I don't understand why you think people are playing the system? What benefit is there to being sectioned if you don't actually need to be?

Well if they have support from a mental health team and get offered therapy assessment and don’t go whose responsibility is that?

I did sorry, I misread and thought you were the poster you were replying to.

Support is sfa!

WHY DO YOU CARE?
Work on your own recovery. Ignore everyone else and their damn Tik Toks.