To think there are people who play the system to get detained under the mental health act

[Whyohwhy80]

Seen a lot of it on tik tom people
lyinf in hospital beds after purposefully getting themselves detained by the police smiling and laughing

Yes but in this case they refuse in the hope of getting detained.

Are you OK?

Are you telling me that professionals are just wildly guessing whether someone needs to be sectioned and giving them a bed? When there's a lack of beds in the first place?

Do you know what it takes to section someone? The entire process which can take weeks and months?

F*ck me. People on here...

If I needed another reason to dislike and despise Tiktok this thread has just provided it.

Stop watching shite on tick tock

Play the system?
Play the fucking... What utter bollocks is this?

Oh yeah let me pretend to be a danger to myself and others so I can ..

can what? Get what?

Is mental heath crisis being added to the group to demonise? We've already got established campaigns against disabled people and those on UC. Are we adding severely mentally unwell people to that now?

Is this trolling or is it putting feelers out? Will we be seeing proposals to cut off support for people in mental health crisis shortly?

Wha do you mean? They get in a 136 and then escape so the police can come and collect them? It’s not clear. “Instead of engaging” - engaging how?

ive seen these videos they’re usually just young people asking the police stupid questions, not drawn out dramas

People really need to stop using the words 'detaining' and 'sectioning' interchangeably - they are clinically, legally and criminally distinct.

Well, it depends why the person is doing it.
Someone unwell I can imagine maybe they know deep down they need help, or they are so lost in a psychosis they don't realise the police will be called/they speak to someone they know and trust/person calls police/unwell person refuses to go with them because hosp admission is a horrible experience.

What are you imagining?

136 is a police power. The police do not decide if the person they have detained is admitted to a ward. All they do is go to a place they can be assessed.

If someone is not actually ill, they will not be admitted. The bar for admission is so high now, along with a lack of beds, that even people who are actually ill often get sent home.

What the hell bollocks are you watching on TikTok? It's for schmucks anyway and you're doing little to disprove that point.

I've seen the police leave people at home who were at serious risk because of their MH. Using police powers is a last resort. Or are you saying these people are faking mental illness to get out of arrest? Because that does not work, they'd be assessed and then straight back to the police station.

I would say the fact that they think they need to be sectioned so badly
they believe they are ‘faking’ it to get an advantage proves they are seriously ill and need to be sectioned. No one in their right mind would want to be sectioned.

I think there are people who find life very scary and actually prefer the regime of a mental hospital/ prison etc and feel safest there. I can see that those people may do/say things to get back there.

Well 30 years ago my grandfather would do it regularly for a week off in the local institution … dunno how he got away with it … to be fair he was an abusive b-tard and maybe it felt like a break for my gran too.

Enormously difficult to have someone sectioned, I know because my SIL is schizophrenic and when on drugs she becomes incredibly violent and dangerous. She’s been involved in lots of crime - county lines sort of thing and MIL has tried hard to have her sectioned to no avail. Stop believing shite on TikTok.

The police do actually tell you that you are being detained though... under section136 of the MH Act. That is the language they use.

Maybe but to get sectioned in the first place they’d have had to be severely mentally ill so if they’re desperate to get back, maybe they’re not better after all.

This thread is ludicrous.

Do you mean a stay in a psychiatric hospital though?

Yes.

It's a well documented phenomenon that some people incarcerated in the prison system become so institutionalised that they struggle to function outside of it, and will crave it enough that they will commit a crime/breach conditions so that they are returned to prison.

There is something similar goes on with psychiatric hospitals, although as I say, it isn't commonplace, or at least, most people recognise that psychiatric hospitals aren't really an ideal place to spend most of your life and do everything they can to avoid being detained.

The individuals I'm referencing may not be the same as the ones the OP is talking about, I certainly have never encountered anyone "boasting" about blagging their way into hospital, but the main point is, there are indeed individuals who do seek admission/detention because they simply prefer being in hospital, or they believe it would benefit them for a period as opposed to being in the community.

They're not. Detained is the professional term, sectioned is a slang term. They both mean the same thing.

Detained is being held e.g. by police during arrest.

Sectioned is when you have been assessed under the MHA as needing your liberty deprived for your own or others safety.

A lack of insight into a serious mental health condition could also present as smiling, laughing and saying they weren't really seriously unwell and tricked the Police and Psych team into admitting them, OP.

Yeah, I am wondering what the motive behind this thread is.

One could argue that allegedly wanting to be at the mercy of the system (which is not fun, I have experience of it) is indicative of needing mental health support in and of itself. Likewise allegedly being motivated by alleged clicks and exposure suggests a societal problem overall.

No. If you are sectioned, you are detained, but not all detentions involve being sectioned!