AIBU to suggest emailing Andy Burnham about access to women’s toilets?

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Aibu to suggest you can email Andy Burnham if you are what he calls one of the “tiny, tiny, tiny number of people” who believe that men including “transgender women” should not be allowed to use women’s toilets.

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Perhaps if he gets enough emails he’ll see he is not right.

Can you tell me how many women have been attacked in toilets by the trans community? I’m interested in the statistics.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigoted, narrow-minded transphobe

Would you include an elderly woman who wanted a female carer (not a man who thinks he is a woman, or a man who presents himself as a woman, or any man at all who says he is a woman) - would you include this elderly woman in the category of "bigoted transphobe?"

Exactly. Which is why no males should be in female spaces. However they dress.

I assume you’re also saying this to people campaigning to erode single sex spaces? I mean, if it’s a non issue for women, surely it’s a non issue for them too?

Transwomen ARE men. The reason we keep men out of female spaces apply equally to them.

Can you tell me how many transwomen have been attacked in the male toilets? I’m interested in seeing the statistics.

Exactly. It’s men who need to stay out of women’s single sex spaces, trans identifying or not. Glad you agree. Men.

^ this. It’s so tedious when there are real, imminent threats to women and girls.

But if it’s not a big issue, then why aren’t these men ok in the male toilets? If TWAW, as some people claim, and women are fine with sharing with men (as others claim), then surely TW will be perfectly fine sharing with men? So they can go in the men’s with no drama, and those women wanting and needing single sex spaces can have them. It’s a win for all

Anyway, the law is clear about biological sex and single-sex spaces, and the official guidance from the Equality and Human Rights Commission is being published tomorrow, so any arguments to the contrary are academic. Andy Burnham will have to sway whichever way the wind is blowing, and that wind is blowing in the direction of women's rights.

Oh fgs can you ever stop trying to scapegoat a minority group for one day 😒 But yeah, slow clap for forever deflecting attention from people who are an actual danger to women and girls.

Oh come on. The daily mail has been digging for dirt and thats something that they knew would get people frothing. It’s pathetic.

I note you haven’t added the full quote for context and have just pulled out the part of the sentence that fits your narrative.

Why is it scapegoating to say males should use the male facilities? They are NO DIFFERENT than any other men. They are the same risk to us.

there's a whole discussion here, including Andy Burnham's full statement and videos, etc., here, if you are genuinely interested:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5532198-is-andy-burnham-reasonable-to-say-only-a-small-minority-of-women-object-to-men-being-in-their-toilets?page=1

So men then? But TW are men. And since when have men been a minority?

What do you mean by attacked? Any woman can feel uncomfortable with a man in the next cubicle listening to her pee or masturbating and women should absolutely not have to make accommodations for men in women's spaces. There have been physical attacks by trans identified men in women's toilets.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/14674350/trans-paedo-supermarket-toilet-ruling/

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-02-21/man-who-said-he-identified-as-female-sexually-assaulted-woman-in-station-toilet

Gender neutral toilets are also a problem.
https://unherd.com/newsroom/girls-assaulted-in-gender-neutral-toilets-as-predicted/

Trans identified men have the same pattern of violent and sexual offending as other men. And 99% of sex offenders are male.

For all the thicky mcthickies who keep trotting out this and completely missing the point…

Men as a sex group commit most of the violent and sexual crime.

This is why we have single sex spaces to keep girls and women safe and comfortable in vulnerable places.

We can’t know who the lovely men or the violent men or the pervs are.

The only way to keep females safe is to keep single sex spaces.

I have no problem sharing my toilet with a ‘trans man’ ie a biological female.

The main point is protecting single sex provision. It really isn’t about trans folks. It’s about the propensity of men to harm women.

Great idea. Will do, thanks OP.

He’s a silly little man - who does he think he is making such ridiculous pronouncements.

How many is too many? I happen to think one is too many. And it's not "the trans community" doing this- why would you lump all trans people together like that? Wouldn't that look awfully like transphobia?

There was a trans-identified male who raped a little girl in a supermarket women's toilet (it may have been an ASDA), but can't remember where in the UK exactly. I can imagine it was one too many for that little girl, wouldn't you agree?

Hopefully someone else can find a link to that story, and I know there are offending rates available as well.

Well, then, our politicians, who earns big £££ need to be more intelligent and circumspect and more understanding of the fact that ‘women’s issues’ are gaining a massive trajectory. The learning was incumbent on Andy Burnham. Does he not do reading. Also, I rather suspect that when Andy Burnham gets thrashed in the upcoming by-election, that the loss will be blamed on women.

Link?

Found some stats for you, hope this is what you meant?

England and Wales, 31 March 2024: of 245 transgender prisoners whose legal gender was male, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. That is 61.6%. The MoJ answer says this group includes those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid.
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298

Laws can be changed.

Hmm this may be boring for you, but for those of us who have been a victim of male sexual violence it actually does matter.

This is about males who want to access female spaces. No one on this side of the discussion is singling trans people out. It’s a blanket expectation on all males, no matter how they dress, that they respect female boundaries.

It’s transwomen who are singling themselves out by expecting to be an exception to that rule.

Now, let’s rephrase your question to make it relevant to the issue. “What have men ever done to you, or anyone?” Well, to name a few.. rape, sexual assault, physical assault, voyeurism, intimidation. Not all men have done this sort of thing, most don’t do anything like that, but then those men aren’t the ones trying to access female spaces.
And it’s not only for safety, but many women (and men) are also just not comfortable sharing certain spaces with the opposite sex. That is perfectly reasonable and is to be respected too.

Now, if none of that affects you then brilliant, lucky you. But you do not consent on behalf of anyone else. And you do not determine what matters and what does not. And if this is something that doesn’t concern you, I suggest you are the one who needs to give it a bloody rest and get a life, and 🤫 while the people who do think it matters discuss.