AIBU to suggest emailing Andy Burnham about access to women’s toilets?

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Aibu to suggest you can email Andy Burnham if you are what he calls one of the “tiny, tiny, tiny number of people” who believe that men including “transgender women” should not be allowed to use women’s toilets.

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Perhaps if he gets enough emails he’ll see he is not right.

The answer surely is to have separate individual cubicles for changing and toilets that can be used by anyone (and family sized cubicles) so the issue becomes entirely irrelevant who's in there with whatever genitalia they have/had, because they are keeping it private and to themselves. As its noone else's businesss!

Id much rather people were campaigning for THAT practical change to society, rather than punching down on other human beings as they protect only themselves and others exactly like them.

By the same token as your example, you are perfectly happy with trans men, who you dont known were born female and dont look female, being forced out of mens spaces and into women's spaces? And that would make women feel safer? Because that's what the law says.

Well, I imagine some trans women sometimes wear skirts or trousers, or culottes, or shorts, maybe even jeans. Or a bikini!! Its not always a dress. 😂

Again though, what about trans men, that look like men?? How do women feel safe when they see a trans man (or a butch, tomboy or androgynous looking woman) but they won't know, or have any way of knowing if this person is a trans man or a man?

It's almost as if its about how things look, rather than how they actually are.

Yep!

This campaign slogan is getting a bit long "Safety for all women, err except trans men because even though they ARE women because we've insisted they are, because there is no such thing as gender, and even though we dont really know/cant know without violating their privacy/bodily autonomy whether they are really women who think they are men, or men pretending to be women who think they are men, or maybe just men...."

Why dont they just say what they really mean, in all it's Orwellian glory, as it actually plays out in reality:
"All women deserve safety from men, but some women are more deserving than others"

His staff will be busy responding with standard lines for a few weeks. Unless he is your major, don’t do this. As it won’t affect him, just his staff.

Why can’t transwomen use the men’s? If they are at risk of being attacked by men that’s a men’s peoblem. Nothing to do with women at all.

I don’t want share loos with any man. They’re disgusting. Piss everywhere.

No. The answer is saying no to entitled men.

Why are you so reluctant to do that?

I'm not going to email. I'm sick to fucking death of trans being the be all and end all on here when it comes to politics
Never mind what a party can or can't do, or what they're going to do.
Some will literally vote against themselves just to "get one up against the trans" - vote Reform in! At least they know what a woman is!
It would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.

You can always tell, apparently.
Which is a load of shite but must fit a narrative.

Bullshit they do. This stuff is talked about on here all the time. Absolute ignorance and arrogance on display from you here.

Right, so they stop "gender conforming" and magically become not men, who are no statistical threat?
Never mind that the evidence shows that is not what happens at all. It's not "punching down." They are men who want to get their validation at the expense of women's rights and until very recently most establishments and orgs have been cheering that on for virtue cookies. Presented with the evidence most people like you will keep cheering, because they're men and men get what they want, and because you are scared of being judged as nasty and bigoted by your pals. So fuck the people you're actually hurting (women) who cares, right.

We don’t have to vote Reform, Kemi seems to understand reality and has no reluctance to declare that trans women are men and have no place in women’s single sex spaces.

I disregard any party who thinks women can have penises because they are trying to gas light us. They are trying to get us to erode our boundaries in the name of ‘be kind’. Why the hell should we? We have boundaries FOR A REASON. So many women have been sexually assaulted by men. I have, 5 times, each time by total strangers. If men were allowed in our changing rooms I just wouldn’t do a sport that involved changing rooms. It’s just not worth the risk. Sex assaults happen all the time. They’re not at all rare. Andy Burnham is like most blokes. He doesn’t see the threat because it hasn’t happened to him. It happens to women all the time and we’re so sick of it.

You do realise that a key prerequisite for being a transwoman is that you actually have to be male.

So if women are in such danger in their homes, surely providing safe public spaces where they can be free from men is a good thing? And yes, TW are men wearing dresses.

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It’s 2026, women have the right to single SEX spaces for whatever reason they like. Away from nice men, bad men (because they come with a warning) and men who think they are women men. Trans women aren’t women. Everyone knows this, no matter how inclusive or kind you think you’re being. We don’t affirm people with anorexia as fat, or a white person as a different race, or a man identifying as a child. Costume doesn’t make someone the opposite sex, no matter what you wear or what you do to your body.

If you want to share your spaces with these men, crack on. Leave the single sex spaces alone. Or, lobby men to be more accepting of gender non conforming men in their spaces. I’ve processed more police reports in my time than some of you have had hot dinners, I’ve yet to process one where a trans woman has been attacked in a toilet. The amount of trans women as offenders though seem to be on the increase.

My lovely male colleagues are just that, I still don’t want to get changed in front of them or piss near them, locked cubicle or not.

Have a day off from labelling everyone who did basic biology at school a transphobe.

FYI, the last trans woman I met was a sex offender.

I'd be extremely surprised if any party other than the Greens would consider changing the EA so it said women and TIM where it now says women, which is the only way a change of law would enable TIM to access women's single sex provisions.
Which is a great deal more complex than adding in some words, given the whole premis is sex based protection, and we now have a clear definition of sex laid out in law.
While Burnham made an error four years ago in saying 'a minority of women' there was no indication he intended to disregard the 'minority' need for SSS. He also used the term 'biological male' which is hardly in keeping of the spirit of TWAW.
I imagine he will argue for third spaces, if pushed, rather than support a radical over view of the EA.

I can't believe we're having to say this, but 'women get raped in their own homes, so let's make public spaces less safe for them' is ... quite the take.

Do people even listen to themselves?

Or does their misogyny run so deep they genuinely think this is a good point?

Staggering

What I don’t get is why all the TRA are so upset with construction workers. They seem to believe male CIS members are the root of all women’s problems. What about men not in the CIS? Are they not a problem too @Francine84 ?

Off you go then. You start that campaign. What is stopping you?

Tell that to the little girl victims of this vile man. As long as you are alright Jack. 🙄https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/14674350/trans-paedo-supermarket-toilet-ruling/

Why is EVERYONE ignoring the repeated question Ive raised - what about Trans Men? i.e. biological women who transition to be men?

You either let men into womens single sex spaces or you don't. You can call a trans identified man a woman all you want but he is still a biological man. Putting aside the threat to women argument, I do not want biological men in women's single sex spaces because they are men. That includes the good, kind, respectful men.

What about biological women? That are women.

surely the SC ruling was great for TIF. They get their rights to abortion and pregnancy care protected, they’ll not be forced to go into male prisons and psychiatric units, they are allowed to access female rape crisis services. It’s a great win for them. One TIF got raped as she was put in a men’s psych ward. Now no other TIF will have to suffer that. Isn’t it great? As a TRA you should’ve vert happy.