How did Tyson Fury’s daughter get married at 16?

[Wouldcou]

I thought they changed the law and you had to be 18 in the UK?

Oh god....this is so oppressive I can't even start.

So teaching your children self respect is oppression lol ok

I think that is honestly so commendable that the men in your community are respectful towards women, it makes me really jealous quite frankly because honestly English men are the most misogynistic bunch of manbabies on the planet. It's the reason I will only date foreign men from now on.

It's really sad to see. The whole 'marriage is for life for travellers' isn't necessarily a good thing. Domestic violence rates in traveller communities are high. A marriage lasting for life isn't a sign of harmony and respect. It can be somebody unable to leave for various reasons. Look at Tyson Fury and his wife, the amount of times he's been caught cheating on his while she bears child after child after child, and she stays.

In this case, I wonder if Venezuela will be protected somewhat due to who her father is. Maybe her husband might think twice before abusing her as a result.

A 2007 study in Wrexham found that 61% of married English Gypsy women and 81% of married Irish Traveller women interviewed had experienced direct domestic abuse .

Domestic abuse is accepted as normal for many women. A pilot project in Leeds found that many women from the Gypsy and Traveller community who accessed their training were surprised to learn that many behaviours they took for granted were actually forms of domestic abuse .

Anecdotal evidence suggests that domestic abuse occurs particularly when women become more economically or politically active outside of the home while traditional male roles are less easy to sustain thus challenging traditional gender roles.

There is a strong belief within the Gypsy and Traveller community that marriage is for life. Divorce is rarely acceptable and women who do leave their husband often experience shame and discrimination, or have to leave the community entirely:

If a woman leaves her husband, she may have to leave her whole community, which can mean leaving her culture and way of life and facing the prejudice of the settled population alone

Low literacy levels and frequent movement are likely to have an impact on victim’s knowledge of the services available

Cultural and social taboos exist amongst all Travelling groups against involving the police when violence occurs.

^www.taipawb.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Domestic-Abuse-and-Equality-Gypsy-and-Traveller-Women.pdf^

Are you capable of giving me a straight answer? What do you mean by traditional? Am I immoral because I’ve had sex before marriage? What do you mean by self respect, do I not respect myself because I’ve had sex before marriage? Are men expected to be virgins on marriage - yes or no?

Having sex outside of marriage does not =a lack of self respect, but you know that.

If you are looking for this kind of traditional relationship and life, go for it.
Perhaps one of the women on here could arrange it for you. Let us know how you get on.

Yeah domestic violence is respectful

I wouldn’t confuse “traditional” with “respectful”. They are not the same thing.

A bloke can observe rituals of respect in public and knock seven shades of shit out of his wife in private.

BTW I am not saying traveller men are more likely to be violent than non travellers but assuming that because a bloke is “traditional” or “old fashioned” that he’s respectful is facile.

No the boys are not but it’s not something that’s broadcasted within the community. The boys sleep with your daughters (non t&g) gorger/country girls until they are married. Ever heard the saying “you can’t make a wife out of a ho”
it’s something the boys keep to themselves.
And traditional means what your family line would have practised years ago before yous got a bit wild. No sex before marriage, gender roles etc shame really because by the sounds of it you’sshould have held onto it then your kids wouldn’t be in such a mess.

Don't be ridiculous it doesn't sound like that at all, they seem really respectful towards women and by committing to marriage they show that they are 100% invested in the relationship. Not like our flaky men who will string you along but never ever commit fully.

That's a good strategy, that way the young men will already have some knowledge of what it takes to satisfy their wives in the bedroom after they become wed.

There we have it. Child marriage and removal of educational opportunities are just the tools of perpetuating a misogynistic culture.

And what do you mean my kids are a mess?

@flabbypea

He likes to call himself the Gypsy King, as did Bartley Gorman who he's related to. Still genetically Irish.

The word comes from Little Egyptian to Gyptian, to Gypsy, to Gypo and even Gyp, from when Rom started arriving here in the middle ages.

His people where in the UK two centuries earlier from Ireland and have their own language genetics and roots, and it isn't Rom.

You want to call yourself a 'gypsy' that's your choice to make, I know there's Romanichals that let schools call them that and call us snobs for saying no, we know who we are and our actual history.

Let’s just say we really judge the way you people raise your children.

Is the respect towards women similar to the respect of public spaces, businesses amd other people living in the area?

Maybe it’s the push we all need to use Factor 50 everyday

Yes. But some people aren’t respectful. Like all walks of life

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What specifically is wrong with the way I raise my children? I wonder how many posts it will take to get a straight answer.

Absolutely, no respect is shown to anyone or thing. It's a thuggish lifestyle. They are super religious because they think their sins can be washed away.

It does if it means she is totally dependent on her husband, is part of a culture that doesn’t accept divorce or having any economic independence outside the home, and has foregone the basic education that she would need to enable her to support herself were she to leave.

So I quite can imagine that a 16 year girl getting married in a traveller community is less likely to get divorced than a 30 something women… but that’s not necessarily a good thing, as she’s far more likely to be trapped in a bad marriage with little means to escape.

Who told you all that, or did you make it up? Because it's all false.

Not all cultures are equal.

There’s plenty of criticism that could be levelled at English culture (in the variety of forms that it takes). As an English person, I don’t have an issue with that, even though it might make me uncomfortable. I accept there are faults and things we can learn from other cultures. I try to keep an open mind.

I think therefore that I’m perfectly entitled to say I have various major issues with Traveller culture, and that it is, at heart, misogynistic.

That doesn’t mean I think travellers are bad people, and they don’t as individuals deserve the same dignity and rights as everyone else.

i doubt the wives satisfaction is a priority