How did Tyson Fury’s daughter get married at 16?

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I thought they changed the law and you had to be 18 in the UK?

Well given that half of marriages end in divorce, I fail to see how doing things the 'normal' way is any better, to be frank.

This thread is amazing.

Half-half!! - of marriages end in divorce yet there's people defending the societal approved way of doing it.

If everybody had a 50% chance of getting run over every time they crossed the road, theyd be questioning why this was the case.

Beggars belief that others aren't doing the same when it comes to marriage instead they are staunchly insisting that they are right.

You too, hun.

Wow.

@Ottersideofthebridge

I don't think pushing every child through GCSEs is the right track at all and probably part of the issue with disruption and behaviour in schools. Some children are very hands-on and would be better on a more vocational path. Dragging kids through constant maths and English resits is appalling. Other EU countries do things differently. GCSEs at 16 shouldn't be the be all and end all, vocational choices at 14 should be a thing.

I totally agree with this, but a) taking children out of education at the age of 12 or upwards doesn't prepare them for much vocational work either. There is vocational work available to them in the community (to boys anyway) but it's usually limited, low paid and gives people very limited potential to work outside the community should they choose to do so.

And b) unilaterally deciding on a child's behalf that they are not going to sit GCSEs before they are ready to do so is deliberately limiting their opportunities. Even if many children don't want to sit GCSEs, why would you prevent those who do from having the chance to do so?

@QuintadosMalvados

Well given that half of marriages end in divorce, I fail to see how doing things the 'normal' way is any better, to be frank.
This thread is amazing.
Half-half!! - of marriages end in divorce yet there's people defending the societal approved way of doing it.
If everybody had a 50% chance of getting run over every time they crossed the road, theyd be questioning why this was the case.
Beggars belief that others aren't doing the same when it comes to marriage instead they are staunchly insisting that they are right.

Why do people keep trotting out the fact that marriages last longer in this community as a good thing?

Marriage isn't automatically a panacea for everything. Some marriages are great and life-affirming, some are awful and trap women in particular in slavery.

I'd far rather live in a community where I could leave a disastrous marriage if I had to than remain yoked to someone who was abusive/neglectful just because I'd made a vow when I was barely out of puberty.

There are council estates and then there are council estates, so I can absolutely appreciate your point of view. Where I grew up and where some of my family still live, most are in employment and not living the lifestyle you describe, but I knew Bradford growing up and know exactly what you describe.
Academia is a bit of a hard, insecure road these days though (I've dabbled and have one grown up child looking in that direction), which is a shame. I'm not saying people shouldn't be educated, just that it's not for everyone, other routes are just as valid and sometimes we lose sight of the things that are important.

Bless him, he's got mental health.

A traveller up thread indicated that the primary reason traveller marriages don't end in divorce is not because the marriages are all wonderfully happier than those doing it in what you call the 'normal' way, but rather because divorce is so heavily frowned upon. She spoke about her own divorce and the problems it caused in the community, for her sisters in their future marriage potential, and spoke of her family trying to push them back together. Not sure why that's so much better, to be honest.

I'd rather a 50% divorce rate than a lot of couples being trapped in a marriage they do not want to be in. I knew an older couple once who hated eachother, but wouldn't get divorced because they were Catholic.

Now, I haven't been divorced, am happily married and have been for 30 years, but I can't imagine staying with somebody I'd grown to hate for my whole life. Who does that benefit? It's incredibly damaging for kids. My parents divorced when I was 4, and I am incredibly glad they did because they were miserable together and that made us kids miserable.

It's exactly.the same in all conservative communities where women are not allowed education or financial independence. Divorce rates are low.
That doesn't mean marriages are happy.

I'm trotting it out to refute the argument put forward here that older women are better at choosing spouses than younger women.

(I think that the average age of marriage for women is late twenties.)

Clearly they are not. Else there'd be not such a high divorce rate.

This is not blaming them. We all make mistakes.

I would rather my 16 year old be married than just living with someone. Many travelling girls will run away and live out of wedlock if their parents don’t consent to them getting married. With marriage they have security. I never wished for my daughter to be married at 17 but that was her wish and I consented to her marrying. I think 21 is the perfect age to be married but some choose to be married younger

Great that women have a way to leave if they are mistreated or exploited as a nanny with a fanny.

Shame some communities pressure women to stay where they are mistreated.

@QuintadosMalvados

I'm trotting it out to refute the argument put forward here that older women are better at choosing spouses than younger women.
(I think that the average age of marriage for women is late twenties.)
Clearly they are not. Else there'd be not such a high divorce rate.
This is not blaming them. We all make mistakes.

I don't think older women are necessarily better at choosing spouses than younger women.

The point is that a woman who has some education and a bit of life experience (including, ideally, working outside of a closed community) is likely to be able to make more informed and savvier decisions than a girl of 16 who left school two years previously, has no qualifications and has not worked. And whose role model in all likelihood is another woman who has never worked outside the home, never earned any of her own money and lived a restrictive and traditional life.

If you marriage fails when you're 35 with GCSEs and maybe A levels and a decade's work experience behind you it's a personal tragedy/setback but one you can bounce back from.

If the same thing happens when you're 18, you have been married for two years but out of school for four, have no qualifications, no money, no support from your family and have barely interacted with people outside your community your chances of getting back on your feet are much much more limited. So you're much more likely to suck it up and stay with an abusive, neglectful or very limited man. In no universe is that better than being divorced.

The point is choice and optionality.

@ObelixtheGaul Please don't call me a Traveler. I am not a Traveler, and I don't speak Shelta.

Tyson and Paris Fury and Venezuela and Noah Price are Travelers.

I am Rom, a word that covers Romani, Romanichel,and Roma people.

They are a completely different race, with a different language, and different customs or important nuances from ours, and I have said from the start I can only speak for Rom, not Travelers.

The whole GRT thing is a lazy Gaudja system trying to push us all together and say we must be like each other because we all happen to be traditionally nomadic.

Just like your people, different races and social levels are very different from each other, often don't agree with each other, and don't want the same things as each other.

Do you think getting married at 16 gives you less chance of divorce?

I’m still not getting any clear understanding as to what the positives of marrying at 16 are. You say you’d prefer your 16 year old to marry rather than live with someone - why? What is wrong with dating, working out what sort of person is right for you, even living with someone for a while? Do you feel the same about sons or would you be more accepting of them dating or having sex before marriage etc?

They are gypsy’s not travellers.

Which 'facts' aren't true?

Sex is forbidden before marriage. So living with someone is out of the question. And like I said the positives are the same for someone getting married for the first time much older. Marriage is marriage at the end of the day however old you are. If someone wants to marry at 16 that’s their business.

Do you not consider that men and women can be equal intellectually?

Does no-one from your culture ever aspire to medicine? Law? Science? Teaching? Something that requires formal education?

Deleting post. No point in arguing with people who think housework is a woman's responsibility and earning money is a man's.

This used to be the case in my community, but luckily it's changing and should change.

edited to add @flabbypea

Paris is originally a Mulroy - Scottish Travelers
Tyson Fury is the son of John and Amber Fury- Irish Travelers

Fury and Furey are English forms of O Fiodhabhra

Wrong. John and Tyson are gypsy’s. Aka the gypsy king. Yes Paris come from Scottish parents but Welsh and English are gypsy’s and Irish are travellers

Why is it forbidden? What are the reasons? And does this apply to men as well as women?

Because it is we live traditional lives. Girls have morals and self respect and are protected and respected. Boys have to be respectful aswell because they have to uphold the family name. No one wants their daughter to be dating a boy that that doesn’t hold good values or respect.