To not offer to clean up my DD's wee

[milliec]

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Nope! It's not a choice, Flashman. When you employ someone, you expect them not to call your customers fucking stupid lazy idiots.

I cannot recall a single company I have ever worked for where that would not result in instant dismissal for gross misconduct.

There's no excuse. None whatsoever.

Personally I think the world would be a better place if she was and more people thought like that.
Exit stage left.. . .

flashman, you're on a hiding to nothing here. she called a TWO year old a fucking lazy idiot... she is bang in the wrong, and deserves to be raked over the coals. whether millie asks for her to be sacked is immaterial (although tbh i think if i was the manager i would dismiss her on the spot).

Well I am in a position to make those choices fm and I would do so in an instant
She would have been gone within the hour

In fact it wouldn't have taken me that long

I have not read the whole thread but have read the OP some more of OPs posts and also some of Flashmans (who like another poster has pointed out seems to be arguing some pretty sad points lately)

I am absolutely sickened angered and appalled that some idiot spoke to your child like that. If anyone ever ever speaks to my son like that I think I will go completely mad. I dont know how you are coping I would be boiling with anger. Your POOR daughter!!!!!!!! She needs a big confidence booster now. What a fucking bitch (the employee obviously)

Sounds like you did the right thing by taking her to the soft play etc.

AND FWIW get the bitch fired and make the manager formally apologise. This is totally unacceptable. I really really feel bad for you.

I had a similar situation in my local charity shop when ds was about the same age as milliec's.

A jobsworth (OK, a volunteer) told me that ds couldn't use the toilet for 'health and safety' reasons.

I explained to her that ds often uses the shop toilet, that we spend much money in there, and that he was 2, and desperate. She simply said sorry, and walked into the storeroom.

So, ds pissed on the floor.

Result.

Flashman generally I really enjoy your posts, you stir things up and I have started to look out for them as they are interesting

but on this one we are talking about something more serious than just a bad day at the office. Verballing abusing and humiliating anyone but especially a tiny child has no excuse. None. Nada. Zero.

Do you want yer coat?!!

atht is awfull.I wouldcomplain to the manager and to the council because shops are supposed to mantain acertain standarts regarding client' treatment and this was appaling.

Big hug to you and your daughter.

FGS, what is wrong with these Health and Safety freaks? To make a child desperate for a wee wet herself rather than risking her use their toilet. Where is the normal human decency?

I know, it's taking away someone's basic human right to go to the toilet.

To call an adult customer a fucking stupid lazy idiot would be grossly rude and completely unacceptable.

To call a 2 year old toddler, a baby still really, the same is beyond belief and I can't think of any excuse for it. Such a young child may not have explicitly understood the meaning of each word used but they would have been left in no doubt as to the aggressive tone used and would have been extremely upset and frightened, as the OP explains.

Frankly, if this woman honestly believes that 2 year old children are in full control of their bladder and/or that they go around weeing in shops to deliberately wind up shop assistants then she is the fucking stupid idiot.

I think MillieC should be congratulated for restraining herself and not slapping the bitch. I do know that really wouldn't solve anything but she must have been both distraught and furious that anyone could attack her toddler like that.

I wouldn't have a moment's guilt over demanding this creature gets sacked. You reap what you sow and all that. I don't give a toss about "bad days" in this particular scenario ..... Christ, we all have bad days. If everyone reacted like this you wouldn't be able to move 10 yards down the road without being sworn at.

I can't just take my coat - people raise point I have to respond - pisses me off people who post a question - you give an answer and they just piss off, however I will try to summarise.

1 - Don't clean wee
2 - The girl was out of order
3 - We don't have her side of points - it could be possible there was some micommunication - and no I am not saying it is but we can not say for certain.
4 - Not having all the facts mean that it could be possible that she is a good worker ect and a final written warning might be a good enough alternative.
5 - Firing someone should not be the only think to consider.

Now why am I so against firing - we are making a load of guys redundant where I work - while not the same as firing - I am starting to see the impact this is going to have on each of them. it was much easier in the meetings to be thinking of getting rid of xx, much harder when you actually see the impact. So I actually reject in this case that I am just stiring.

And finally eenybeeny are they sad points just because you do not agree with them.

PS sorry if there are 20 posts since I started to write this - I am a slow typer and trying to play poker at the same time.

Flashmann
Ok, I get your point that you are confronted with this problem at work at the moment and that it is perhaps affecting how you view this situation. I do think though that making someone redundant, through no fault of their own is a different situation to this where the girl was clearly out of order.

thanks for singling me out flashman

You're still an arse, Flashman.

millie

I would have wiped her bloody idiotic fucking face in it - the shop assistants that is. Nasty bitch, how stupid and ignorant was she.

Flashman, I'm sure you are sad to be making people redundant. it's not nice, Ive been through it myself. However, once those people have left the building I'm sure you'll have forgotten about them in five minutes.

It's got nothing to do with someone verbally abusing a child. You are clutching at straws. Why don't you just admit that you are wrong and we are always right.

What do you consider "gross misconduct" flashman and how far do you take mitigating circumstances?

Kinder i do agree that it is a different situation - just has shown me to have a bit of compassion.

However I would admit that had I been with Ella (my neice) I would not have handled it as well as the op.

And yes Desiderata I am a total Arse. A waste of Carbon to boot!

misplaces, flashman. if one of your colleagues was to commit an act of gross misconduct it would make HR's life a lot easier and save the job of someone who wasn't offensively incompetent from being made redundant.

Milliec, why do these things always happen to you?
Crazy relatives, muslim woman screaming at you on bus, shop assistants swearing at your DD,the list goes on.

Your imagination life is clearly more colourful than mine.

OK, there is a big part of me that doesn't really believe milliec's story, and never did.

That said, rightly or wrongly, it has raised an interesting debate on the rights of small children who need the toilet when in shops, and Flashman's benign intervention on the behalf of the 'shop assistant.'

No harm done, either way.

oh right.

lazarou - i can't admit I am wrong. Have an x Chromosome remember.

vvv - gross misconduct sacking with no appeal or nothing would be striking someone else. I did not say that we def. had to accept the mitigation - I was only trying to raise the point that we have only heard one side and just calling for firing does see harsh to me.

On a side note is anyone interested to hear that I just one a hand with a nice flush to hearts. They had the queen and I had the king!!