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AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests? Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble. Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!

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HeyHoHenryHippy · 14/05/2026 12:49

Pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests this Saturday with yet again thousands of officers having to spend the day controling these protests. Surely there is a better way. Static protest or once a month for Gaza? I think Tommy's lot isn't weekly like the Gaza lot.

Antisemitism is a major problem and general racism also up. Armoured vehicles are needed now with the first time in 15 years to use them. Terror incidents have risen yet what have either of these 'protests' achieved apart from further divisions!

Stick them in separate areas and tell them to stand with their various placards and keep them there. They ave their virtue signalling and hate fuelled moments but stop annoying the rest of us and keep the costs down - it's costing millions of pounds.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

Met call up armoured cars as London braces for a day of protests

In a package of measures billed as the toughest ever, 4,000 officers will be deployed to deal with the Tommy Robinson-led Unite the Kingdom rally and a pro-Palestine gathering to mark Nakba Day.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

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HeyHoHenryHippy · 15/05/2026 17:59

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 08:22

If you are making the claim that these Marches walk past synagogues, I want you to show me proof - show me a route map of one of the Marches that has walked past a synagogue.

I've already listed stories about previous marches.

How about this forthcoming one....

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/synagogue-members-likely-to-miss-shabbat-service-as-nakba-day-march-passes-nearby-mps-warned-ncbq5hbv

Synagogue members likely to miss Shabbat service as ‘Nakba Day’ march passes nearby, MPs warned - The Jewish Chronicle

Jewish Leadership Council raises concern over route allowed for tomorrow’s pro-Palestinian demonstration in London

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/synagogue-members-likely-to-miss-shabbat-service-as-nakba-day-march-passes-nearby-mps-warned-ncbq5hbv

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Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:03

inamarina · 15/05/2026 17:29

Okay? So the Palestine Coalition has complained, and? What exactly does that prove?
From your link:

The legal letter (posted below) refers to recent antisemitic smears Rowley made in the media about our movement and the over 30 peaceful marches for Palestine rights we have organised since October 2023.

I had a quick look for examples of antisemitic smears made by Rowley in their document, but didn’t find any. Do you have any examples? Or do they just mean by that that he accused them of antisemitism? A weird way to phrase it in that case.

Reminds me a bit of people calling Trevor Phillips antisemitic just because he pointed out that Zack Polanski’s experience doesn’t represent the experience of all Jews.

You're using Trevor Phillips as an example, the man who's best man was Peter Mandelson....laughable.

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:05

HeyHoHenryHippy · 15/05/2026 17:56

Exactly. The 'but some Jews march' or 'but some black people march'. So what. Some of the chants and slogans are extremely offensive and also hate speech. Just because some march along doesn't make it ok.

@PurpleThistle7 no you're wrong, 100s of Jewish people join these Marches. I will take a photo tomorrow and prove it to you. Have you been on any of the Marches or you're just another person who thinks they know what happens on these Marches?

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:07

HeyHoHenryHippy · 15/05/2026 17:59

I've already listed stories about previous marches.

How about this forthcoming one....

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/synagogue-members-likely-to-miss-shabbat-service-as-nakba-day-march-passes-nearby-mps-warned-ncbq5hbv

You've listed 'stories' I want you to show me the actual route of the March that deliberately targets synagogues because that's your claim.

Tell me, have you been on one of the Marches? Because it seems like you're making ridiculous assumptions from ignorance.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:08

HeyHoHenryHippy · 14/05/2026 15:51

No idea. Some poor bloke was attacked when he attended a earlier march with a anti Hamas placard. You'd think he'd be welcome and they all want to see the back of Hamas?

The organisers of the marches are banned in the Middle East for their terrorist links and have direct links to Hamas. Another organiser is an ex-Hamas chief who lives in London.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:11

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:05

@PurpleThistle7 no you're wrong, 100s of Jewish people join these Marches. I will take a photo tomorrow and prove it to you. Have you been on any of the Marches or you're just another person who thinks they know what happens on these Marches?

It doesn't matter who goes on the marches. More women than men voted to abolish reproductive rights in the US. The marches are not promoting peace, they support terror and march to destroy the Jewish state because it is the Jewish state. They don't constantly attack Jordan, which was established at the same time and displaced more people and has harsher restrictions.

HeyHoHenryHippy · 15/05/2026 18:11

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 17:08

I'm still waiting for your proof of Marches that have walked past synagogues and in Jewish areas - you make a claim like that, show me your proof.

Try reading the thread, they are there. Also the forthcoming march

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/synagogue-members-likely-to-miss-shabbat-service-as-nakba-day-march-passes-nearby-mps-warned-ncbq5hbv

Synagogue members likely to miss Shabbat service as ‘Nakba Day’ march passes nearby, MPs warned - The Jewish Chronicle

Jewish Leadership Council raises concern over route allowed for tomorrow’s pro-Palestinian demonstration in London

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/synagogue-members-likely-to-miss-shabbat-service-as-nakba-day-march-passes-nearby-mps-warned-ncbq5hbv

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Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:12

inamarina · 15/05/2026 17:34

You’ve disregarded the official MET statement simply because Palestine Coalition complained about Mark Rowley.
Not sure there is any proof out there that would convince you 🤷‍♀️

I've disregarded it because I have been on the Marches personally and I do not believe or agree with what he has said. Do you go along with everything anyone in power tells you?

HeyHoHenryHippy · 15/05/2026 18:14

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:08

The organisers of the marches are banned in the Middle East for their terrorist links and have direct links to Hamas. Another organiser is an ex-Hamas chief who lives in London.

Awful isn't it, yet here they are causing fear and misery in the UK.

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ThatBlackCat · 15/05/2026 18:14

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:08

The organisers of the marches are banned in the Middle East for their terrorist links and have direct links to Hamas. Another organiser is an ex-Hamas chief who lives in London.

That explains why none of them ever protest Hamas on their marches. So really, the marches are not about peace, never were about peace, they are just an antisemitic bunch of racist bigots and terrorist supporters.

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:18

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:08

The organisers of the marches are banned in the Middle East for their terrorist links and have direct links to Hamas. Another organiser is an ex-Hamas chief who lives in London.

Can you name the organisers of the Marches who have been banned?

And if you're going to tell me that Israel banned them or named them as a "Hamas operative", please spare me.

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:19

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noblegiraffe · 15/05/2026 18:21

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign scrambled to organise a march while the October 7th massacre was ongoing so I can well believe that they are sort of disingenuous little shits who would organise a march in, as they put it, the 'broad vicinity' of a synagogue and then say 'oh but that's not our intention, we're really aiming to march to X place and the synagogue just happens to be on the way' <innocent face> and expect people to believe them.

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:21

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:11

It doesn't matter who goes on the marches. More women than men voted to abolish reproductive rights in the US. The marches are not promoting peace, they support terror and march to destroy the Jewish state because it is the Jewish state. They don't constantly attack Jordan, which was established at the same time and displaced more people and has harsher restrictions.

"whataboutery" at its finest

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:22

noblegiraffe · 15/05/2026 18:21

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign scrambled to organise a march while the October 7th massacre was ongoing so I can well believe that they are sort of disingenuous little shits who would organise a march in, as they put it, the 'broad vicinity' of a synagogue and then say 'oh but that's not our intention, we're really aiming to march to X place and the synagogue just happens to be on the way' <innocent face> and expect people to believe them.

Absolute rubbish.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:23

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:18

Can you name the organisers of the Marches who have been banned?

And if you're going to tell me that Israel banned them or named them as a "Hamas operative", please spare me.

Friends of Al Aqsa (7 Oct is known as the Al Aqsa Flood)

Muhammad Kathem Sawalha

Zaher Birawi

My family are Middle Eastern immigrants. There are no words for people like you who think they're so clever eye rolling and defending fundamentalist terrorism.

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:28

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:23

Friends of Al Aqsa (7 Oct is known as the Al Aqsa Flood)

Muhammad Kathem Sawalha

Zaher Birawi

My family are Middle Eastern immigrants. There are no words for people like you who think they're so clever eye rolling and defending fundamentalist terrorism.

How did I know you'd say Zaher Birawi?

Muhammad Kathem Sawalha - prove this? And please don't give me an article from the Daily Mail.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:29

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:21

"whataboutery" at its finest

The reason Israel is constantly attacked is because it is the Jewish state. That is the simple fact. Hamas has a written mandate for its destruction and the destruction of the Jewish people. Israel can either allow itself to be destroyed, or retaliate - which the attackers use to justify the attacks.

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:29

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:23

Friends of Al Aqsa (7 Oct is known as the Al Aqsa Flood)

Muhammad Kathem Sawalha

Zaher Birawi

My family are Middle Eastern immigrants. There are no words for people like you who think they're so clever eye rolling and defending fundamentalist terrorism.

Israel claims Zaher is a member of Hamas just like they do most Palestinians, even babies.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:31

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:28

How did I know you'd say Zaher Birawi?

Muhammad Kathem Sawalha - prove this? And please don't give me an article from the Daily Mail.

Because he was identified as a British security threat?

From his Wikipedia page - Mohammad Kathem Rashid Maruf Sawalha (born 21 July 1961), also known by the name Abu Obada, is a former leader of Hamas in the West Bank.

I don't know what you think you achieve with your sneering comments. As I said, you are supporting fundamentalist terrorism. Do you think that's clever or enlightened or beneficial? Think about what you're actually standing for, for a second.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 15/05/2026 18:32

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:29

Israel claims Zaher is a member of Hamas just like they do most Palestinians, even babies.

British intelligence identified him as a security threat.

noblegiraffe · 15/05/2026 18:33

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:22

Absolute rubbish.

If they gave the single shiniest shit about how their marches impacted on Jews they would have stopped marchers using contentious and offensive phrases years ago when valid requests and complaints were made but they didn't.

The sort of people who protest on the evening that a Jewish person was murdered outside a synagogue.

The sort of people who protest when the police ask them not to, after a Jewish person was murdered, to free up resources to protect Jews.

The sort of people whose first thought when hearing of the horrendous massacre of Israelis on October 7th was to rush to complete the admin so they could get out on the streets and wave banners about how 'resistance is justified when you're occupied'.

They are exactly the sorts of people who would try to get their marches as close to a synagogue as they could while trying to maintain 'plausible deniability'.

They are absolutely despicable.

ThatBlackCat · 15/05/2026 18:43

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Now that is deflection and projection if ever I saw it on here.

inamarina · 15/05/2026 18:44

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:03

You're using Trevor Phillips as an example, the man who's best man was Peter Mandelson....laughable.

I was talking about a particular exchange he had with Zack Polanski and people’s reactions to it. Nothing to do with Mandelson.

Cheeks4970 · 15/05/2026 18:46

noblegiraffe · 15/05/2026 18:33

If they gave the single shiniest shit about how their marches impacted on Jews they would have stopped marchers using contentious and offensive phrases years ago when valid requests and complaints were made but they didn't.

The sort of people who protest on the evening that a Jewish person was murdered outside a synagogue.

The sort of people who protest when the police ask them not to, after a Jewish person was murdered, to free up resources to protect Jews.

The sort of people whose first thought when hearing of the horrendous massacre of Israelis on October 7th was to rush to complete the admin so they could get out on the streets and wave banners about how 'resistance is justified when you're occupied'.

They are exactly the sorts of people who would try to get their marches as close to a synagogue as they could while trying to maintain 'plausible deniability'.

They are absolutely despicable.

And do you know what I think it absolutely despicable, people who sit back and turn a blind eye to a genocide because of their racist minds.

If you can tolerate that then that's your choice but I can't.

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