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AIBU to think a toddler should be allowed to sit while healthy adults stand?

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Thegoldenoriole · 10/05/2026 22:18

Tldr: should toddlers stand while healthy adults sit on trains?

On the tube today, I boarded holding our 2yo DD by the hand, DH had pushchair and baby in the sling. It’s busy (South Kensington museums on a Sunday afternoon) so we didn’t get a seat. No drama, I manoeuvred DD down the carriage towards a pole and tell her to hold on to that and my hand and we travel one stop reasonably well wedged in. DH is half way down the carriage with a lot of people between us.

At the next stop, the seat in front of us opened up so I helped DD to climb up. NB: it was one of the fold up seats designated for a wheelchair user if someone needs it. However, no wheelchair present and the other two fold up seats had healthy young adults sitting in them.
DD had just got settled when a man says, very loudly, “would you like that seat?” looking behind him but pointing at my 2yo. I say hang on, she’s sitting there, he says something like “she can stand up, it’s for disabled people” I said “well she can stand but she might fall over” and he got huffy and said his leg hurt. Totally coincidentally, I’ve currently got a mildly sprained knee so just blurted out “well I’ve got a sore leg too!” and he said “well why don’t you sit down then?” so I did and put DD on my lap and he stormed down the carriage saying he was just trying to offer a seat to a lady.
I would absolutely have moved DD if a wheelchair user had boarded, requiring the full length of the fold up seated area. But AIBU to think that a healthy adult should be asked to move from a seat before a young child?
Just to preempt the question “why not keep DD in the push chair?” we had taken her out to help us get down the steps and walked straight onto the train. I have no real problem with her standing, it was more that it felt very much as though he was deliberately picking on the toddler sitting down, especially given he did not ask either of the other adults on fold up seats to move. But he was so self-righteous I’ve been left wondering whether this is some etiquette I’ve never absorbed, despite living in London for 10 years before having DD!

OP posts:
ParmaVioletTea · 12/05/2026 13:14

Lucia573 · 10/05/2026 22:21

I’d expect a toddler to be carried or sat on a knee rather than have a seat to themselves if other adults were standing.

This.

Adults can be tired, injured etc etc. A 2 year old can sit on your lap.

PeloMom · 12/05/2026 14:45

paddleboardingmum · 12/05/2026 09:13

I half-foresaw people getting distracted by the buggy “off-stage” but I should have left it out entirely! 😅

People would have worked out that with a 2 year old you would have a buggy.

Mine didn’t go in a buggy at 2. He’d scream the carriage off if I tried putting him in one ( although wouldn’t be with us anyway)

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 12/05/2026 15:12

PeloMom · 12/05/2026 14:45

Mine didn’t go in a buggy at 2. He’d scream the carriage off if I tried putting him in one ( although wouldn’t be with us anyway)

So would he have had the seat in that scenario?

KilkennyCats · 12/05/2026 15:13

PeloMom · 12/05/2026 14:45

Mine didn’t go in a buggy at 2. He’d scream the carriage off if I tried putting him in one ( although wouldn’t be with us anyway)

No reason others should accommodate this by allowing him a seat. It’s your problem, not theirs.

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 15:18

LeaderBee · 12/05/2026 11:42

Because the husband who had it was already halfway down a packed train?
can't you read?

Yes I can, nothing stopping her walking to it. Oh she carnt because she would have to wobble 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Yes, she could have walked to it, or better yet not moved away from it in the first place

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 15:20

LeaderBee · 12/05/2026 12:03

Regardless of why he did it, that still means that it wasn't available for mum to unfold and put her child in.

But together could could have managed. Jesus I've unfolded a buggy on a train with a baby, toddler and preschooler. It's really not hard

PeloMom · 12/05/2026 15:22

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 12/05/2026 15:12

So would he have had the seat in that scenario?

Yes. The toddler is still unbalanced and at risk of falling more than an adult

PeloMom · 12/05/2026 15:24

KilkennyCats · 12/05/2026 15:13

No reason others should accommodate this by allowing him a seat. It’s your problem, not theirs.

Thankfully in real life people have never failed to offer their seat to my kid without me asking. You people sound bonkers.

Yetone · 12/05/2026 15:50

PeloMom · 12/05/2026 15:24

Thankfully in real life people have never failed to offer their seat to my kid without me asking. You people sound bonkers.

Yes, there are some really mean people on here. Everyone I know would give up their seat on the tube for a kid. They would not be debating I’d the kid should be in a buggy or not.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 12/05/2026 16:01

Yetone · 12/05/2026 15:50

Yes, there are some really mean people on here. Everyone I know would give up their seat on the tube for a kid. They would not be debating I’d the kid should be in a buggy or not.

Yeah - screw people who are ill, injured, old or just plain tired . 🙄

Those of my generation did their share of giving up seats when we were small.

You sound entitled.

Yetone · 12/05/2026 16:06

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 12/05/2026 16:01

Yeah - screw people who are ill, injured, old or just plain tired . 🙄

Those of my generation did their share of giving up seats when we were small.

You sound entitled.

I would stand for ill, injured or old people as well!
If people have hidden disabilities they can get a badge to say they need a seat.
I am in my 70s myself.

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 16:09

Yetone · 12/05/2026 16:06

I would stand for ill, injured or old people as well!
If people have hidden disabilities they can get a badge to say they need a seat.
I am in my 70s myself.

I have a disability, I'm not going to get a badge, I'm not going to label myself for other peoples benefit.. I always just ask and no one has ever said no on bus or train.

LeaderBee · 12/05/2026 16:10

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 15:18

Yes I can, nothing stopping her walking to it. Oh she carnt because she would have to wobble 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Yes, she could have walked to it, or better yet not moved away from it in the first place

The irony of this post. Lol

jdb9803 · 12/05/2026 16:18

Thegoldenoriole · 10/05/2026 22:38

She was grumpy after a long day and didn’t want to sit on my lap - as she proceeded to make very clear!

Well then she doesn't sit - its either on your knee or she stands
My kids were taught they didn't sit when full fare paying adults were standing - they could sit on my lap or stand - basic manners

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 16:19

LeaderBee · 12/05/2026 16:10

The irony of this post. Lol

It's the truth. If she carnt wobble her way up the train to put her kid in a pram then there's something seriously wrong with her as a parent

Yetone · 12/05/2026 16:19

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 16:09

I have a disability, I'm not going to get a badge, I'm not going to label myself for other peoples benefit.. I always just ask and no one has ever said no on bus or train.

If you are prepared to ask that is fine but some people just prefer to have a badge.

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 16:20

Yetone · 12/05/2026 16:19

If you are prepared to ask that is fine but some people just prefer to have a badge.

Yes they can. Just don't expect everyone to, it's not a club.

lavenderscenteddrawerliners · 12/05/2026 16:21

YABU for repeatedly saying healthy adult. You have no idea if that is the case or not. My colleague who I have to travel with looks very healthy, but she had a bad accident ten years ago and has titanium rods/plates in her feet, ankles and back. She can walk decent distances (no walking aid) but cannot stand for longer than a few minutes. She frequently gets asked on trains to give up her seat for "someone in need".

Yetone · 12/05/2026 16:29

lavenderscenteddrawerliners · 12/05/2026 16:21

YABU for repeatedly saying healthy adult. You have no idea if that is the case or not. My colleague who I have to travel with looks very healthy, but she had a bad accident ten years ago and has titanium rods/plates in her feet, ankles and back. She can walk decent distances (no walking aid) but cannot stand for longer than a few minutes. She frequently gets asked on trains to give up her seat for "someone in need".

@lavenderscenteddrawerliners she only has to say she is not comfortable when standing.

Youspurnme · 12/05/2026 16:40

You should have put her on your lap. I’m not in a wheelchair but I’m 3 weeks after knee surgery. I’d be fucked off if a toddler, with both a parent and a pushchair available, took up a priority seat.

Thegoldenoriole · 12/05/2026 16:44

lavenderscenteddrawerliners · 12/05/2026 16:21

YABU for repeatedly saying healthy adult. You have no idea if that is the case or not. My colleague who I have to travel with looks very healthy, but she had a bad accident ten years ago and has titanium rods/plates in her feet, ankles and back. She can walk decent distances (no walking aid) but cannot stand for longer than a few minutes. She frequently gets asked on trains to give up her seat for "someone in need".

I wanted to emphasise that I would have made DD stand if the other adults sitting in the priority seats couldn’t. The question boiled down to whether the priority goes disabled adult, toddler, healthy adult; or disabled adult, healthy adult, toddler. I completely accept that disabled adults get the seat ahead of toddlers, and that disabilities can be hidden. Some people who think YABU have said yes, healthy adult trumps toddler. A lot more have been distracted answering questions I didn’t ask.
As I’ve said above, if the man had made a general enquiry to the priority seats and neither of the other adults had moved, I’d have moved DD, no problem. Instead he picked on the toddler and offered her seat out, with no evidence that she was more able to stand than the two seated adults.
I think next time I might attach a flowchart 😅

OP posts:
Thegoldenoriole · 12/05/2026 16:46

Youspurnme · 12/05/2026 16:40

You should have put her on your lap. I’m not in a wheelchair but I’m 3 weeks after knee surgery. I’d be fucked off if a toddler, with both a parent and a pushchair available, took up a priority seat.

In a row of three priority seats including a toddler and two young adults with no obvious disability, would you have made a general enquiry for a seat, or would you have specifically told the toddler to move and ignored the adults?

OP posts:
Coconutter24 · 12/05/2026 16:48

Thegoldenoriole · 10/05/2026 22:31

I don’t, but neither did he. He made an assumption about a toddler over the young adults next to her.

You’ve made assumptions too. You assume young people don’t need a priority seat and you assumed only people in wheelchairs need the seats/area.

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 16:50

Thegoldenoriole · 12/05/2026 16:46

In a row of three priority seats including a toddler and two young adults with no obvious disability, would you have made a general enquiry for a seat, or would you have specifically told the toddler to move and ignored the adults?

If that was me Id expect the toddler to move. A parent was right there who could have held her.

IdaGlossop · 12/05/2026 16:51

Tshirtking · 12/05/2026 16:50

If that was me Id expect the toddler to move. A parent was right there who could have held her.

OP, how would you have reacted had your toddler been asked to move?

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