The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

The conservatives haven’t been right of centre since 1997. They’ve moved further to the left. You might want to apply some critical thinking to your argument. Rather than continually repeating what you hear in the mainstream.

Proof?

Highest taxation ever (until Labour took over and broke that dismal record).
Poor productivity
Highest ever immigration
Stagnant economy
Eroding women’s rights in the name of trans and other woke ideology
Destroying the country’s defence capability
Highest ever public spending as a share of GDP
Highest levels of welfare spending
Largest and most unproductive civil service

Again, look at results and outcomes, rather than blindly following identity and labels.

The further left our governments have gone, the worse and poorer the country has become. Fact.

Labelling the conservatives (1997-current) as right wing is like calling a polar bear vegetarian.

Reform types, hilarious. So blinkered. I guess that is why Labour are where they are. Well. One of the reasons.

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They imposed austerity, the biggest sustained cuts to public spending since WW2.

They delivered the hardest form of Brexit, which the OBR says will reduce long-run productivity by around 4%. They cut corporation tax, attacked trade unions, privatised/outsourced public services, froze benefits, and spent years promising lower taxes and lower immigration.

That isn’t left-wing government. That’s right-wing government that failed.

High tax now isn’t proof they were left-wing it’s proof their model didn’t generate enough growth to pay for the country they were running.

I don’t disagree about rights and responsibilities, however your comment about not being able to eat workers rights or use them to keep you warm - hmm I could just as easily apply this to many workers who lost their jobs due to the rights obsession with Brexit and ‘sovereignity ’ -that doesn’t pay bills either -

There have been some nutty threads in the last few days but this is the crème de la crème!

A leader of a party is given £5 million pounds pays no tax in this

£5 million it’s absolutely mind blowing that this isn’t be questioned more

but back to your question op few people will think this is cool is they are being totally honest

Give me some better shorthand for the types starting these endless threads? Saying ‘Reform supporters’ or ‘voters’ could well be inaccurate. So ‘types’ is more generic and vague I think? Do you prefer ‘right wing’? I can use that then.

And they always assume people who challenge them are Labour votes too. Very basic of thinking.

No to mention the recently elected one who's been outed as a Holocaust denier.

Maybe, but I for one would welcome a back to basics Labour Party, focussing on the NHS, education, and improving the lot of those worst off. If they know what a woman is.

Wrong, false, factually incorrect.

What austerity. The Tories left office with public spending at the highest levels of share of GDP - ever. Record breaking public spending. No government in history had spent more in public services. Fact.

They left corporation tax at one of the highest in the developed world. Double our neighbour, Ireland and higher than many other European economies. Fact.

Benefits have never been higher. And the % of people getting them has never been higher. The Tories left the largest welfare bill in history. Fact.

Immigration had never been higher. The Tories broke all records when it comes to immigration. Fact.

You really need to work on your baseline knowledge. As I say, repeating soundbites doesn’t help.

Of course it is for you.. but.. it's not all about you is it? There are many more people in the country.. Did you realise?

It’s cute you think Labour are the left

The right-wing economic policies of the US are going so well aren't they?

The Green Party are the new left, give it 10 years & they will be either in government or the official opposition. In Sheffield they got the biggest percentage of overall votes.

Farage is like Trump. It's all about the grift. Farage is a lazy man and he just wants power to enrich himself even more. He doesn't want to serve and improve the lives of all the citizens of the UK. He's in it for himself and only him. He's currently playing down his worship of Donald as it isn't playing as well in the UK at the moment.

Anything that weakens the economy and causes people’s earned incomes to fall and lowers GDP per capita and leads to fewer people to pay into the system while the number of net takers goes up is against right wing and free market principles. Whatever that may be.

Thats the difference between my argument and that of people who make ideological driven, leftist, irrational arguments.

It's funny everyone keeps talking about Farage. I'm not a reform voter, can't stand the guy. I am an ex labour supporter who will vote Conservative in the next GE. Hence the quote.

So why are you so keen to elect the very people who oversaw that shit show. Because let's be honest the majority of Reform MPs are ex-Tories who were in charge of immigration.

The left always think it’s just about them.

So who do you support if not Reform or the Tory’s , Restore maybe? They have plenty of batshit views bearing in mind today’s world - the rest of us are upfront on at least stating our allegiances. Why the secrecy ? Are you even British - I don’t think you are

Nah the "I'm alright Jack" attitude is far more prevalent among the right.

They’re going brilliantly actually. Once again, move away from soundbites and look at some facts. The US economy is roaring. Experiencing the kind of growth that we could only dream of.

The US economy and EU were about the same size in 2008. The US economy is twice the size of the EU today.

The US tech sector is many times larger than the entire economy of UK’s pathetic economy. That sector creates revenues and powers tens of millions of jobs in the US.

Ah I see you have said - ok -

Ah I see you have said - ok -