The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

To be fair, Brown is now advising Starmer. I don't think it's likely to change much, but he did have significant input into very popular policies.

Equally, I don't think anyone over the age of 21 cares about what's 'cool'. The left being self-righteous is another argument. Is either side of the political spectrum anything but?

They are all the fucking same. Won't have a sensible mature conversation and agree to disagree. They have to scream in your face to get their point across😡

Who is a Farage disciple?

If Brown is the answer, Labour are asking the wrong question.

I'm left wing. So are my adult kids, lots of my friends and most of my extended family across 4 generations.
Some of us are cool. Some of us, like me, not so much.
Fortunately I lost the urge to signal my coolness through my politics circa 1988, after being gutted that the hot guy with the socialist worker under his arm never noticed I was reading Das Kapital on the bus.
How are the right performing their coolness these days? Putting up England flags and muttering that they don't know what the country's coming to, is it?

Bless you for being such a stereotypical Farage supporter.

Not everyone is a Labour supporter I might add.

I can’t see your face but I assume you typed that with a straight one.

Medical tourism is a rounding error compared to the damage done by austerity and understaffing. The NHS wasn’t broken by migrants, it was broken by political choices.

And we hear the same thing every single time workers get more rights minimum wage, sick pay, maternity leave, weekends. Apparently it’ll destroy the economy. Funny how it never does. Meanwhile parties like Reform openly talk about deregulation and rolling back employment protections, so let’s not pretend the modern right is passionately pro-worker.

As for private schools, nobody’s stopping people using them. But pretending they don’t massively boost access to elite jobs and connections is nonsense. That’s not “envy”, it’s just reality.

This is such an odd thing to post given what I posted.

But I guess if you're only argument is "you stupid and racist" then it's not that surprising.

Oh you still just don't get it do you?

I'll help you one last time - many people used to be Left. They voted for Labour. I was one of those people. Since the left wing side of politics morphed into an unrecognisable judgmental horror show, and indeed moved so far left they're the old right. It's the point of the quote really - but you've missed it in your rush to judge. Shocker.

Btw - who is Reform?

Far left and far right are as bad as each other! Sadly the Tory party fucked up so badly many have got such extreme views now! But to be honest I’d vote Tory over reform or greens any day!

Thanks for proving that you are ideologically driven. For a minute, I thought you might be rational.

You clearly aren’t keeping up with the consequences of leftist economic policy currently. On unemployment, inflation, taxation, economic growth, investment. If you did, you wouldn’t regurgitate tired soundbites and engage in outcomes driven debate.

Nigel Farage is part of the establishment and has always been so. It’s why he has so much media support. It’s beyond me why working class people think a privately educated former banker has their best interests at heart.

Look at Farage’s voting record he always votes against strengthening worker rights. He’s complained that the minimum wage is too high for youngsters. The cognitive dissonance from
the right is astounding.

All of that was the Blair government, which the Left now say are Right wing. They were Centre Left. If you look at the Left of Labour, the Greens, Your Party etc, who are the Left they despise Blair and are embarrassed by New Labour. By far the most successful Labour government in 70 years.The Hard Left and the Hard Right are as batshit as each other.

🙄🙄

Because it’s not background that matters, it’s ideas and convictions.

But then, there’s the problem. The left only cares about identity. Not outcomes. They’d raver cut their nose off to spite their faces. Politics of envy and negativity. How are the working class heroes currently in power doing? Yeah, running the country into the ground.

And you’ve only just noticed this? I whole heartedly agree with you though.

“Everything I disagree with is leftist ideology” isn’t really an argument though.

The UK’s had mainly Conservative governments for the last 14 years. So if unemployment, stagnation, weak growth, crumbling public services and low investment are all supposedly proof that “leftist economics fail”, who exactly has been running the country?

And pointing out that workers’ rights didn’t destroy the economy isn’t a “soundbite”, it’s just history

You.

HTH xx

Now who's giving soundbites...

Since the left wing side of politics morphed into an unrecognisable judgmental horror show, and indeed moved so far left they're the old right

So you are not talking about the Labour Party @Northermcharn ?

Ha ha bless you. I hope your critical thinking improves over time xx

Constant threads started by reform types whining and complaining about the Left. Snivelling and shaming the Left. They can’t see the irony!

is that you Kemi?

The labour party are not the party of Bevan and co any more, sadly. They are a judgmental misogynistic homophobic bigoted racist anti semitic horror show, so yep they're more right than the conservatives.

Exactly right.

Anyone who thinks Farage is some sort of anti-establishment hero is so badly mistaken it's funny.

Farage doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. Anyone who has ever taken a passing interest in politics should know that.