To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

MN has a hard core group of left wing voters who think the louder they shout and the more they insult they will persuade people they are wrong . Well no-one except the well heeled of Islington wants their nonsense . Reform are doing well and all the left have done is turn their support underground because people can’t be bothered to debate left wing zealots .

I think you can recognise why they’re doing so well without agreeing with their policies and that doesn’t make a person out of touch.

Agreed

Absolutely. I wouldn't want a Reform government but am hoping this will make the current government take the worries of the country seriously now. The people have spoken. Sort out the Welfare Bill, make work worthwhile, abolish business rates, stop building on our green belt and raise the tax threshold. Oh and get the navy in the channel to sort out the small boats chaos. That is what the working people who hold this country together want.

I think there a real mix of voters on here; labour, tory & Reform. I wouldn’t say labour are particularly popular!

Disagreeing with Reform doesn’t make you out of touch though.

I mean this is all brilliant & I would love it too but I think any party might struggle to achieve this which is part of the problem.

Growth has never recovered since the crash nearly 20 years ago & we now have an ageing population. Unfortunately there are not any quick fixes to turn things around if things can be turned around.

I think there are disproportionately a lot of leafy middle class London suburbian Labour voters on here, as well as a lot of people from Scotland. I also think many people with opposing views stay quiet and don’t post. The drubbing received often isn’t worth the bother.

It started with Brexit (dare I say it) and political discourse has been in the gutter since.

PS I live in the SW. I support neither Labour nor Reform.

A vote for reform is ultimately just a protest vote against the failure of the current and former governments parties to achieve anything at all.

I don’t think reform have a clue what they’re doing, and I suspect most won’t know what reform really stand for beyond ‘stop the boats’ rhetoric.

I think it really emphasises how pissed off a lot of the country is with the spiralling levels of immigration and seemingly inability of any leadership to actually reduce it though. It’s fascinating to see the immigration numbers every year and the government surprised by them - as though it isn’t something they can control.

Well, it looks to me as if the Mumsnet demographic is centre right/right/Reform. Which is why any poster left of centre stands out. And is then accused of shouting/bullying/whatever because they don’t agree with the consensus.

I don’t know anyone irl who would admit to voting Reform. I can’t imagine any of my friends would, and certainly nobody I work with.

I am from a very ordinary council flat background. I do not earn a six figure salary or have a partner who does.

Green voters are also ridiculed on here, for good reason. The more you get to the political extremes, the more out of touch you are with reality, and the more you are likely to endorse conspiracy theories.

It's totally the opposite in my opinion. And the venomous insults on here, calling the ellectorate at best 'thick, uneducated and stupid' are quite frankly embarrasing.

Agreed. MN has changed a lot over the past few years and that includes voting preferences.

100% this!

@MidnightPatrol could it possibly be that “fixing” immigration is not an easy issue?

Sure you aren’t confusing this site with NetHuns?
Its definitely more left leaning.

Its usually a few posters defending a right wing Conservative / Brexit/ Reform position whilst the rest of the thread piles on them.

Pretty sure I’ve never seen support of Trump on here so we all agree on him.

I’m just looking forward to the people in Reform areas getting what they voted for. FAFO 🤭

At least spell electorate properly when you're making the point they're not thick or uneducated if they vote Reform...

In my experience Reform voters always fall into 3 camps:

Uneducated/ ignorant and don't even read Reform's policies properly and realise they're voting against their own interests.

Very rich, so they have a vested interest in voting for a party funded by and looking out for billionaires and millionaires.

Racist, who vote purely based on hate of immigrants and foreigners.

It’s largely a protest vote against the current government.

Exactly this.

But what’s the point of that? Brexit was a protest vote too.

IME it definitely leans right and conservative 🤷🏻‍♀️

I live in a Reform controlled council and they are truly out of their depth! The got voted in on the lie that the council could stop the boats which they can’t, that’s down to national policy! Unfortunately Reform supporters are a bunch of bigots who seem to lack the capacity to research the truth for themselves. The best example is Farage referent asylum seekers as illegal migrants, they’re not illegal until their claim for asylum is refused! Remember Reform is lead by a bunch of multi millionaire ex Tories who have absolutely no interest in the average person! I worry for the younger generation who are going suffer due to the elderly racists voting them in!

Are you saying the majority can’t be ridiculed?

From what I see on here, these insults appear to be more of a reform election strategy than the norm. This is, it is reform folk that keep talking about it. They certainly talk about it more than it really happens.

This thread, so far, being an example.

Anti "elite". anti science, anti facts, is a proven way to push forward an ideology. And here the ideology is that Farage is the "man of the people", "one of you", "one of us". Lets stand up against those smug people who look down on us. So Reform folk keep repeating it.

It's similar to Mao and what he done in his cultural revolution. It is a tactic of the authoritarians. Trump does the same too.