To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

I hate reform, but I have to say they are correct that those crossing the channel in small boats are not asylum seekers.
One of the principles of asylum is that you claim asylum in the first safe country you arrive at. If you've passed through France, a perfectly safe country, and chosen not to claim asylum there but to continue to attempt to get to Britain you are an economic migrant. Asylum is about safe harbour.

@Su1rlie The venom is literally dripping off your post. There is just no need for it.

Oh I think there is.

All parties need to make welfare payment cuts or we are stuffed and our children and grandchildren are more stuffed

If this was a general election Labour would be shitting themselves 😂
It’s great to see such a big shake up when it’s been labour or conservative for so long!
These two parties have been way too dismissive of the others but it’s cost them dearly. I also think a lot more people vote reform than people believe. Go into any big city centre on a weekend and ask the locals what they think about the men arriving on the boats.

I don’t disagree but there are ways and means - I also think we need a massive shake up of funding for the NHS but again it’s how it’s done.

I don’t think a vote for Reform is necessarily a protest vote, otherwise the conservatives would’ve been up in numbers as the next realistic governing party.
I don’t agree with Reform values but I can understand why people might vote for them.

You can get and understand why some people have voted Reform and criticise their choice as well.

For most people politics is something they don't engage with much, and given the great reduction in tv watching generally, probably less than even five years ago.

There are & long have been loud supporters of UKIP/Reform on here.

I am a Tory voter, and at one point I wouldn’t have said that on here as I might as well have posted that my hobby was kicking puppies.

I am concerned about a Reform government though. Even more so that they’re seeming landsliding a local election with almost no local policies other than blackmail. Which makes me hugely concerned for the intelligence of the general population and the direction of the country.

Left wing zealots have no debate...they can never give a good reason for their arguments. They just insult everyone who disagrees with them! They are well-meaning but incredibly naive, I think. A few years ago on Mumsnet, it was impossible to say anything that didn't fit in with the leftie narrative. I'm glad it's got more moderate since. And I'm not even a Reform voter! 😄

I do think it’s out of touch to vote for a Reform council because it suggests you haven’t had a look at how the current ones are doing…..

This is interesting. I live in a wealthy area. Lots of people are very vocal about voting reform. Interestingly my parents live on a council estate and the residents are also vocally reform. This is why when people said they knew no one voting reform, I was surprised. A large percentage of people Ive spoken to from all sorts of backgrounds are voting reform. People are rightfully angry. I dont like ANY of the options.

It's got its demographic. It's not a cross section of all society - it's mostly women, for a start - and it was never intended to be. It's its own community who like this as a lifestyle and parenting discussion site. You might as well complain that the local yoga class or book group is out of touch politically because it doesn't reflect the country at large.

Obviously, Reform is a fucking disaster and soon there's going to be a lot of finding out. But I don't think that's MN's fault.

I think Reform are like the Tories/Thatcher were in the 80's. No one admitted to voting for them openly, but plenty did.

Ha it really wasn’t. 😂

I like Kemi Badenoch. She is nothing like Boris Johnson.

Doing asylum that way isn't fair either otherwise places like Italy would have to take almost most of the asylum seekers who travel to Europe. It would help if we actually allowed people to claim Asylum before getting or allowed them safe passage to do so in a legal manner.

It's not literally dripping off..

And they're 100% correct.

Yep. If you're 'driven underground' I think its because deep down you know, however much you want to protest the decades long shitshow we've had, that reform are not decent people.

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There seems to be a belief that mostly only old people vote Reform.

Not around here. I’m in my twenties and voted for them, along with most of the people I know my age.

Left wingers seem to love to argue their case and brand anyone with a different opinion to them as a fascist. Right wingers tend to stay quiet and vote.

Boat crossings are down compared to last year. It’s not immigration that is screwing this country. Home office publishes weekly figures on boat crossings. If people checked the stats they would see a very different picture to what media portrays. Apart from shouting about immigration what else do reform stand for?

It doesn't change the fact that it's true though, they have chosen to pass through a safe western country and undertake a ridiculously dangerous journey to get to Britain. They aren't asylum seekers.

It's obvious the sneering bullies have just woken up. The last page of posts have become more and more unpleasant. Just insult after insult. It's embarrasing.