To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Doesn't sound like venom to me- sounds like frustration because people have had a chance to see what happens when reform control councils and they've voted for it for their local area anyway. Even if you do want small boats stopping, councils can't do anything about that so people have just voted to have any remaining public services even more mismanaged.

Local council election results are just in, and not one single seat for Reform in my London borough or any of the surrounding ones. So I guess it depends where you live. Seems everyone round my way feels the same about Reform as I do, so that's not really out of touch in my view.

In a national vote latest polling suggests that reform is getting about 26-30% of the vote. The other 60% is split reasonably equally 15-20% for most other parties.
So in that unassailable maths Mumsnet seems pretty representative. Around 60% of the population are not reform voters. Some of that 60% wont be that vocal about politics and some if that 60% will and will have strong anti reform views.
I think the issue with our current 'news' via social media is it is so algorithmically driven that it will entirely reflect your views. So anywhere that you come across different views will seem odd. But in fact it's not odd. 60% of people are not reform voters so outside of your algorithms expect that to be reflected.

I don’t know what to think anymore tbh.

My local area has been lib dem for years but i think the only reason reform have now done well here is that we have a hotel, and that there have been instances of the residents being arrested after stalking girls from our primary school.

But will they get voted off the council though ? I am just wondering if people see them doing a bad job and then change their minds

It could also be that they already have family here. Would you live in Poland where you don't know the language or in the UK with your family that are already here and have some understanding of the language?

Other countries do not have a constant stream of immigrants - I would say it’s because they do not house them and pussy foot with a legal system that costs the tax payers millions fighting to get each person out of the country - what do they do -no idea but probably meet them with armed police or customs,stick them on a boat and send them back - immigrants stop coming

Exactly. Small boat crossings peaked under the Tories.

I think there are many that think they are the majority and some that simply refuse to acknowledge the strength of feeling around immigration in particular..

I also take issue with some of the bigot and thick language because I think it isnt always about that and plenty of bigots and idiots vote for all the parties.

But i think people would still say I was out of touch because I dont agree with reform. Im not sure being a minority makes you out of touch though?
I think they are good at labelling a problem for the country but rubbish at giving a workable solution.

Look at the statistics, this bulletin is from the Office for National Statistics. Migration is actually down.

What's in the bulletin?

At 204,000, long-term international net migration for the year ending (YE) June 2025 was around two-thirds lower than a year earlier (649,000 in YE June 2024).

Non-EU+ migration has been driving the overall trend since 2021. The provisional net migration estimate for YE June 2025 for non-EU+ nationals was positive 383,000, continuing a downward trend since 2022.

The provisional estimate for total long-term immigration for the most recent period is 898,000, a decrease of 401,000 from the updated YE June 2024 estimate of 1,299,000.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2025

I’m appalled at the idea of a reform government. I think however we will get one since politics has been turned upside down by Trump and it’s given people permission to be racist and aggressive.
However I’m also frustrated by labour wimping out on benefit reforms and failing to tackle illegal immigration. Whether we like it or not, illegal immigration is out of control and whilst the UK treats illegal immigrants so well they will continue to come. Legal immigration also needs to be reassessed. When we have a crisis in recruitment for young people we shouldn’t have an immigration jobs list containing every job under the sun - even things like painter/decorator is on there.

i didn’t vote in labour but when then got in I expected them to be sensible. They’ve just wimped out on everything that could make a difference whilst making life harder for the masses with the changes to tax/NI which disproportionately affect the middle class masses. It’s a real lost opportunity.

Ah, you've spent the last two hours posting that anyone who disagrees with reform are 'bullies'. Everyone else on here seemed just like people explaining their (differing) viewpoints but it's quite funny to watch you attempt to make it turn nasty. You carry on- like all the other reasonable people on here (including the ones concerned about immigration) I'm off to work.

I don't see any unpleasant insults in the last page. I don't see any insults at all.

But what I do see here is you claiming it to be full of insults. Just as your OP claimed there were loads of insults. I don't see them.

I did post a reply to you earlier about this. And you even admitted to "baiting", by inserting an intentional spelling mistake. And when that was spotted by someone, you yelled "insult".

This is the tactic used by reform. Direct the conversation away from policy. Make it about "them and us".

You are incorrect, other countries do indeed have a constant stream of immigrants - Germany especially

I think you’ve misunderstood the wealthy/poor left/right connection.

there are wealthy Tories and wealthy labour voters . And vice versa. Left/right is t determined by wealth in the Uk

Absolutely agree with regard to labour wimping out. Some of the reforms they initially talked about needed to happen and they kept bloody backtracking and it's why we're now in this mess.
Labour need to stop listening to the few loud voices on social media who rail against any change and get on with it, it's what they were voted in to do.

Like with Brexit, you get what you pay for. There will be a lot of people now with councillors whose only intention is to tear stuff down and leave the local area poorer. Reform voters don’t understand that other than ‘stopping the boats’ Reform wants to cut services, raise council taxes, and just generally do as much harm to their own voter demographic as possible. They are literally the party of tax dodgers and the one percent. The smug Reform voters aren’t voting for anything other than more austerity and a higher cost of living. Ironic

The polling companies research the demographics for each party. Reform has a much older, male profile than any other party. The Green vote is predominantly young women.

Regarding the immigration statistics I posted above, it shows we all need to research and think critically about big issues and not take slogans at face value. Politics is about everyday life and affects us all, it's important that we understand the details of issues, not just an overview from one point of view.

Building community is very important too, because that is what is going to save us from division. Deep down, I think many of us care about the same things: our communities, education for our children, health care for when we are sick, regardless of which political party someone supports. Division isn't going to get us closer to the things that really matter. Social media/algorithms drive division and we need to counteract this.

You must be very sensitive, i've just read back the last page above this comment and i can't see 'insult after insult' at all. Unless you think people disagreeing is insults, and different opinions as unpleasant.

They are also the same people who are being hurt by Brexit and here they stand with a bucket saying 'more crap please'.
The UK being a much smaller economy than the US, the consequences of a Reform government would be proportionately much worse than the MAGA administration (at the national level that is, it would be less impactful globally)

So start by encouraging growth! Not hammering business with extra taxes and red tape! Solving the problem isn’t easy but Starmer and reeves are making things worse not better.

Lovely. I can’t see why anyone is at all concerned about that 🤦🏼‍♀️

Encourage young people to work instead of claiming invisible disabilities! In my era young people worked to help pay for those annoying old people. Now neither young or old work and everyone in their thirties/forties and fifties are paying taxes for everyone.

It's all a tedious protest vote. The party in power always loses in the local elections. It won't take everyone long to see what a disaster it is when they have a reform council. Just look at George Finch. He nearly ruined a horrible rape trial due to his idiocy.