Giving Reform voters what they voted for

[Nobarbsbeforecarbs]

Taking the “giving people want they vote for” principle to its logical next step, if Labour or the Greens form the next government, should they:

• Pass legislation to confirm the Human Rights Act no longer applies to Reform voters and/or anyone living in Reform constituencies.
• Withdraw the right of Reform voters and/or anyone living in a Reform constituency to use the NHS unless they have private health insurance to cover the cost or can pay privately.

Just putting this out there.

AIBU?

If the nhs was abolished, other systems would be introduced-ie if you had a choice condition, your insurance would be higher or you’d pay an amount (heavily subsidised). People seem to think it’s either nhs or American system but there are many other options-in oz you pay a small fee for gp and consultants etc. there are still public hospitals but you pay to see a dr -so naturally people only go when they really need to.

You are so right.

Boris ate cake.
ks waved through a mate who was best friends with a paedophile and has been arrested for sharing state secrets with China and Russia.

I really don’t understand why no matter one is suggesting offering big tax breaks to companies on private employee health insurance? It makes such sense to me -would take a lot of pressure off nhs .

Nuts yet brilliant. We need a referendum!

Please don’t do this… my ward went Reform. I didn’t vote for it nor did my SEN child who is going to be hugely impacted.

Absolutely - I am ready to engage, ask questions and view the first meetings.

Some councils are made up of nearly all new councillors, protocols to be followed, challenges and questions of senior LA staff, publically documented minutes, press in attendance.
No easy task as extremely experienced Stenio LA staff. I can’t imagine doing this as a lay person…but it will make for excellent viewing.

'Vote for Greens.'

😂

Some employees don’t want private insurance through their employer. Not only do they have to pay a portion of the insurance through salary sacrifice, there is an excess to pay when receiving treatment, and there are many exclusions (childbirth being one).

Yes and no.

one of the strengths of the nhs is it’s bulk buying power.

if you remove a lot of people from the nhs bracket, along with their tax contribution (the “big tax breaks” for companies mean less money toward the communal pot). The saving per person is unlikely to be more than the sum of the tax break.

the nhs delivers some of the best value re. Cost per person. If people started opting out and given tax breaks, the cost per person would go up, so the tax would need to come from somewhere. It would also cost the people who have opted out more, in excess, co pays, whatever that thing is “deductible” where insurance on kicks in after you’ve spent 4k or something in healthcare. Then presumable when the health insurance says no and x or y isn’t covered, that’ll get kicked back to the nhs…

Deductible is the US word for Excess re: indurance.

Well what’s a co-pay then? Isn’t that the excess?

there seems to be so many charges even if you have “good” insurance.

i had never heard the term “out of pocket” until I learned about us health insurance.

It’s complicated. Co-pays are a specific set fee for a specific visit, eg, $85 to visit a GP. Deductibles are annual excess charges, which reset annually. For example, if your deductible is $10,000, you pay the first $10k of any medical treatment for that year, after which insurance will kick in. However, after you’ve reached your $10k, you’ll still have to pay the agreed co pays for any visits for the rest of the year.

What's a choice condition? What about if you had a condition that you didn't opt for? Also at what point do distinguish between "choosing"? Is obesity a "choice condition"? WHO says it's a disease.

Boris broke the law on many occasions and lied to prorogue parliament.

I agree all the furore over the Downing St parties was ludicrous but he had damaged the country long before that.

How is this virtue signalling? I think you have this mixed up like they let in these foriners to work in the NHS, it is health and safety gone mad by the hard left fascist antifa crowd that want to impose their vile woke forin universal human right ideology on us intelligent Brits who will not fall for this nonsense.

No idea what point you’re trying to make here. Did you mean “have this mixed up with” (rather than “like”)?

This kind of thing just doesn’t work on a societal level though. You may think you want a rebate for education services you’re not using, but how will you feel if all the high earners opt for that rebate, privately educate their kids, and then sit back and watch state education go (even more) to shit? We all benefit from having a literate population with (theoretically) equal access to education, just like we all benefit from a workforce which has access to healthcare.

However well your own privately-funded education and healthcare needs are met, you don’t want to live in a society where disease, untreated mental illness and preventable health crises run unchecked.

public services also reduce instability. Publicly funded education reduces crime and increases productivity, healthcare prevents epidemics and keeps people in work. Other people’s welfare affects you whether you like it or not.

This sums up again what Reform is about. As a Christian myself I am appalled. I am appalled because that 'preacher' promotes hate speech (it's not mere 'free' speech if it dehumanises, or worse, demonises a minority). Also, the fire and brimstone rhetoric has never saved anyone. The New Testament focusing on hope, love and forgiveness however has lifted many a soul out of despair.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/14/farage-criticised-for-backing-preacher-who-says-homosexality-is-abomination

Look at those two guys... are these people we really want to be able to influence how our daughters and grand-daughters live and are perceived in society? Our gay children, siblings, nephews/nieces? Who would want to subject them to rule under those ideologues and shameless opportunists?