Giving Reform voters what they voted for

[Nobarbsbeforecarbs]

Taking the “giving people want they vote for” principle to its logical next step, if Labour or the Greens form the next government, should they:

• Pass legislation to confirm the Human Rights Act no longer applies to Reform voters and/or anyone living in Reform constituencies.
• Withdraw the right of Reform voters and/or anyone living in a Reform constituency to use the NHS unless they have private health insurance to cover the cost or can pay privately.

Just putting this out there.

AIBU?

Because I would be paying for the GP either as a one off or through insurance, at the moment I have to do that but still pay the same tax even though I can't get appointments.

I got a same day face to face appointment not long ago. Try moving to an efficient practice. You do know GP practices are private businesses, don’t you?

Absolutely, I transferred my dad across from his GP (where it was impossible to even get through to anyone, let alone to book an appointment!) to my surgery where they can usually squeeze you in during the same day if necessary. The difference is like night and day!

Oh behave with this rhetoric. I’m sick of seeing this. I’m not a reform voter, my friends span the political spectrum. Some are Reform voters. All are intelligent individuals exercising their democratic right. You are just further instilling divisiveness with this bullshit.

You’re right. Better to let the blind lead us blindly into fascism.

I make no apology for my feelings.

You didn’t state your feelings though, you outright implied that everyone who votes for Reform must be stupid. That’s divisive and will get us nowhere.
Personally, I miss the more sensible centrist approach and won’t vote Reform or Green. But I at least want to try and understand why people are voting the way they are than outright declaring anyone who thinks differently to me is stupid. That’s stupid in itself.

Private or not , it's still the free public service offering and recently Wes has told them to make online appointments available all day but they chose to ignore him.

Change your surgery then.

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The centre are wherever the public are (and as I said on another thread the extremists are the politicians of the last 25 years who have presided over unprecedented debt and immigration, massive taxes hand in hand with worsening public services and mad net zero leading to the highest energy costs in the Western world while refusing to build new power stations). Most people just want to go back to the moderate 90s before all this happened - THAT is centrist.

If it's good for the goose its good for the gander

It isn’t though. I’ve been where you are, I’ve tried to understand it. I’ve had countless conversations with people in real life and on social media. I’ve been polite, I’ve listened. It makes no difference. The vast majority of those voting Reform are doing so without any real insight into their policies, or any clue what the country would actually look like under a Reform government. You ask them what Reform has to offer other than deporting immigrants and they haven’t a clue. We will end up like the US. Is that what you want? I’m done trying to ‘listen to both sides’. Nobody is listening back. And I am also centrist.

Totally agree. It’s just not how to win people’s trust.

Lol…they think the taxes will be lowered once the NHS is scrapped. Bless.

How about if you live in an area that has only one GP surgery, but if you try to change to another surgery nearby, they refuse because you are not in their self-imposed ‘catchment area’? This has happened to my elderly relative. She and her elderly neighbours often end up in A&E. Their GP surgery has taken on so many patients that nobody gets treated efficiently.

And no they didn’t vote for Brexit and aren’t voting Reform.

That man is utterly repulsive. His comment was horrific and not a one-off.

People like that would absolutely usher in tyranny if we're stupid enough to vote them in.

I am a centrist and I too tried to listen and understand. And I did (listen and understand)! My conclusion is that most those people are cunts, want their cuntish views to be accepted as mainstream, but are weirdly offended when you call them out for what they are.
I'm done being polite about it!

Oh yes I imagine that working very well in a multi-car road traffic accident, terror attack or natural disaster, half the people taken to A&E and the other half left to wait for their private providers to attend. 🙄Or are you hoping your expensive insurance means you'll be airlifted out with your broken leg before the child with the head injury is seen by NHS paramedics?

Ah yes. Great idea. I've never been ill in my life before. Last year I had NHS treatment that cost well in excess of half a million pounds which saved my life. It's looking like I will needs further treatment. In the US, with health insurance, my treatment would have cost around $8m. You'd be cool with self-funding this treatment if something like this happened to you, would you?

That's the problem with resenting contributing minimally towards universal healthcare . It doesn't benefit you, until it does.

No, it’s not what I want. And I apologise for making an assumption about you that you hadn’t tried to listen up until now. You obviously have.
I still don’t agree that calling Reform voters stupid is going to win hearts and minds though.

would we need to carry/wear identifying markers though so the emergency services know who’s going to which hospital?

what if you have an accident on the steps of NHS hospital but your private a&e is 10 miles away? I’ve heard of this in the US where you have to find an “in network” hospital.

or like my nan, had a stroke in the us. Wouldn’t see her until she produced her insurance documents and proved she was covered.

people also forget that much of the power of the nhs is it’s buying monopoly. They can basically dictate drug prices etc. If we went to a two tier system and allowed people to opt out there’s every chance the nhs would become unworkable. Much like when you divorce- one household income will not fund two family homes. So likely our taxes will go up to compensate, and private insurance will be ridiculous. That or it will end the nhs and we’ll move to a privatised system.

"Anyone who I disagree with is obviously not as clever as me."

Sorry, this is very naive.

Nor is it remotely what I think.

Exactly. I’m just done with them.