Giving Reform voters what they voted for

[Nobarbsbeforecarbs]

Taking the “giving people want they vote for” principle to its logical next step, if Labour or the Greens form the next government, should they:

• Pass legislation to confirm the Human Rights Act no longer applies to Reform voters and/or anyone living in Reform constituencies.
• Withdraw the right of Reform voters and/or anyone living in a Reform constituency to use the NHS unless they have private health insurance to cover the cost or can pay privately.

Just putting this out there.

AIBU?

Surely you understand there will be people in those constituencies who have not voted reform?
This is basic educational knowledge surely? Or are you just lashing out because you are the green party?

Agree, apart from the constituency part. Why should everyone suffer in a constituency because others voted Reform. It’s not their fault. Otherwise, I do agree, it would be good to give Reform voters only what they vote for.

I’m sure most people who voted for Reform don’t know what their local pledges are and read the horror stories about Reform led councils.

If they have voted for them for immigration. They have no idea that it’s the UK government that deals with this.

About 13 years ago there were talks to reduce the voting age to jury service age 18-75. That never happened. If that happened, UK would be in the EU. As there was a positive correlation between age and likelihood of voting Brexit. Plus not in this big mess. Ask anyone who voted for Brexit- name one positive thing to come out of it. They will stumble

Any who is treats the Daily Mail as a bible should not vote. They are brainwashed. Plus anyone who votes for a certain party because their late father voted for them, shouldn’t have the right to vote. As their late father isn’t going to live through the consequences.

There are too many people who are ignorant, racist and thick

You do know my original post wasn’t serious, don’t you?

Sure.

So long as all Green voters have to pay higher taxes.
And have men present when/if they need intimate care, need a refuge, play sport, end up in prison.
And have to fend for themselves if faced with war.

And get asylum centres / hotels on their roads.

I doubt any Jews are stupid enough to vote Green (Wanker Titty aside) so I won't go there.

I absolutely agree with this.

i like the concept of school vouchers, whereby you have a voucher you can cash in for a state school place or a discount at a private school to reflect the burden you're taking off the state system.

I would also support insurance based healthcare with a safety net. Like they have in functioning healthcare systems on the continent. Ours is the ideological sacred cow despite awful outcomes.

For the record - not a Reform voter, never will be.

The Australian system offers something similar. You get a 30% tax rebate. If you have private medical insurance which pretty much everybody does have because it’s tax deductible.
However, if somebody calls an ambulance which will cost you £5000 if you don’t have ambulance cover, you will end up in a public hospital in accident and emergency. That’s the only option available.

Reform is completely hateful. Why shouldn’t people object to it? I’m not pandering to the racists in that party or the racists who voted for them.

All this opting out of the NHS... do you then agree that no child should be vaccinated unless their parents can afford it? Do you think that no person should be seen to at a road accident unless we've check first that they've "opted in". Ambulances carry credit card readers?

The whole point of any tax system is that it spreads the cost across the many not the few. So some people will pay for things they don't want or need. But on aggregate that works. The Europe copay systems do that too. People still pay for national healthcare through taxation.

Ha obviously this is a stupid idea.

But I do think in a way this will happen. I watched a video of someone at one of the right wing rallies. He was complaining that he had 5 kids and he tried to bid on a house and was told it was reserved for immigrants (obv not true). With five children he is undoubtably better off under labour if Reform wins the next general election he will suffer. I know lots of people like this living off the state yet wanting a party in that will punish them.

On a personal level as a family we are middle earners, take no benefits other than child benefit and have private healthcare. Do I want reform in? No, but I believe in democracy, I think it’s really sad the way the country is headed politically but I feel like I will be less adversely affected by a reform government than the people that are voting for it.

But they aren’t all hateful. As not everyone is left is looney.
You can object, but name calling does nothing. Understanding why people vote Reform, as opposed to writing them all off, would do a long way to slow their appeal to people.

I am genuinely thinking about leaving the UK after seeing these results.

Regarding a previous post about “hardworking immigrants begrudge the newer ones etc” - Reform voters don’t know who the good foreigners and bad foreigners, or nice brown people and bad brown people, are. They see anyone different as a threat, a disease, something to be eradicated.

Reform is racist from the bottom to the top. I don’t have glowing reviews for the majority of parties but Reform takes the cake with their level of disgusting open racism.

Reform candidates regularly making racist and threatening comments is not a coincidence. It is genuinely scary and makes me think of the Purge movies.

I believe that no child should be able to attend school without a vaccination and that they shouldn’t receive child benefit if they don’t get their children vaccinated.
Too many young children are suffering because their parents are bloody idiots

For fuck sake, what has happened to political discourse in this country? All so fanatical and childish.

Probably because people are now being elected after saying Nigerians should be melted to fill pot holes, Sikh women deserve to be raped, and Pakistanis deserve to be shot on sight. Among other things, of course.

I am genuinely astonished at the number of people who don't realise the OP wasn't serious. They even said they weren't serious.

What I’m reading across the thread are people articulating a need for more discipline and boundaries.

Reform voters want discipline imposed on other citizens who are ‘not like me’. Disabled, people, minorities, vaccine refusers etc.

But here’s the problem - none of that achieves anything that will improve life in the UK in the medium to longer term.

Do you want the quick dopamine hit that in the longer term we will all pay for, or do you want solutions?

And I’m not convinced any UK political party has a decent set of solutions right now.

But if we become more assertive (not angry), with the politicians who are meant to represent us, hold them to account - ask them what they are doing about x and then follow up with them, …and take responsibility for educating ourselves about the issues we care about (not via YouTube), then work collectively, we might actually come to a point where life gets better.

What could possibly go wrong with the ideas of the OP? 😂😂😂

The politicians we elect to represent us are the ones most in need of discipline and boundaries. Especially now that there are so many people who are new to these positions.

And it is us, the electorate who needs to take the initiative to be well informed and hold them to account, whichever political party they represent.

Pay as you go? What if you need cancer treatment or a heart bypass?

And that means we should behave MORE childishly and fanatical? Brilliant 🙄

What makes you think my comment was all about OP?

Yep, an ex colleague had a bill for $70K when her babies needed neonatal care. This is someone that had insurance that came with her job.

An important thing to remember is that council meetings are recorded and put on the internet for anyone to listen to.

Most councillors holding racist views will be used to airing them in private. This is why a lot of them don’t turn up at council meetings.

Members of the public can also attend council meetings and there is usually a specific time when the public can go along and address the council members.