Giving Reform voters what they voted for

[Nobarbsbeforecarbs]

Taking the “giving people want they vote for” principle to its logical next step, if Labour or the Greens form the next government, should they:

• Pass legislation to confirm the Human Rights Act no longer applies to Reform voters and/or anyone living in Reform constituencies.
• Withdraw the right of Reform voters and/or anyone living in a Reform constituency to use the NHS unless they have private health insurance to cover the cost or can pay privately.

Just putting this out there.

AIBU?

Also, for them, anyone to the left of Reform (or even worse, Restore) is 'radical left' and sowing division - that means whatever you do or say, THEY will see it as unreasonable and divisive (simply because you don't subscribe to their views), all the while pointing to the most extreme elements on the left as if that's all the reasonable left and centre/centre-right were ever about. You just can't win or argue with them, it's pointless. Their whole existence is based on confrontation.

Can you explain, then, why you think that excluding low IQ people would exclude Reform voters? Feel free to use words of one syllable if you think that will help.

O wad some po'er the giftie gie us
tae see oursels as ithers see us!

I was in the Greens for many years and anything short of socialism was characterised as "far right".

Exactly. My DC recently needed to go to A&E in the States. Everything is itemised on the bill…every syringe, x-ray, transfusion, paracetamol tablet, etc. We “only” paid $1200, as the visit was straightforward and no extras were added on. We had to pay upfront on a card machine, and claim back on traveler’s insurance (minus the excess, of course). The system was similar in Switzerland, when we were expats there—pay first, then see how much insurance will reimburse you. People in the UK, who have never paid for healthcare abroad, have no idea how much medical treatment actually costs—£1k+ for an ambulance call out, or tens of thousands to give birth. I have an American budgeting planner workbook thing, and there is a page for tracking medical debt paydown.

They should implement a Brexit tax, splitting the c. £50bn per year lost tax revenue as an extra tax charge levied only on those who voted for it and redistributed to everyone else. They did say that they didn’t care if they were poorer and knew what they were voting for so I think we should take them at their word.

I expect that even fewer of them would be prepared to admit that they voted for it once this was implemented.

Absolutely!

It is a collective too.

If we took ‘opting out’ to its far reach we would all end up doing everything individually.
So, employing a teacher to teach my one child, hiring an employment or safeguarding expert to ensure safer recruitment of that teacher, paying someone to empty my bin, hiring a bin wagon and a place to tip/recycle my refuse, paying a doctor or a surgeon, hiring an operating theatre…I could go on.

We pay tax into a shared pot, so that economies of scale benefit us all.

Yep. No free nursery subsidies or free schools. Everyone with kids needs to privately fund their child’s education, or they aren’t given an education. Perhaps they could be chimney sweeps instead of going to school?

Because they’re only concerned with one issue. I expect most of them quite like the NHS - well that’ll be gone. I also expect a few of them haven’t considered what might happen if at some point they become disabled and can’t work. Or how their brown skinned friends and colleagues are going to suffer once the racist thugs start to feel like they’re allowed a voice. Or how the Reform candidates have any no experience or skills when it comes to running local councils, as already seen by the absolute mess they’ve already made. Or even, if a Reform voter lives in a Green ward, they’ll have a massive fuck off detention centre on their doorstep. But no, immigration eh? Stop the boats.

Want me to go on?

I’m looking forward to them getting a separate insurance health scheme and 380 euros a month ( each) like in Germany - but their tax/NI remains the same

And he can afford a lot of his own healthcare with his £5 million gift.

I can’t!

I once went abroad without insurance. It was the worst couple of days of my life worrying about affording medical care when I cut my fingers & hand. How much would the consultation be? the stitches? the tetanus injection? the medication? …would I need to pay again to have the stitches removed? Could I risk doing nothing…what if I lost my finger…

I would never want to be without the option of free at source healthcare.

No need -- you've already made it perfectly clear that @DreamyScroller was spot on in her analysis.

Perhaps you’d like to share what it is you like about Reform? Although I’m guessing not.

I've never voted for Reform, including today. Are you trying to underline my point for me?

Yet here you are defending people that do. Perhaps then you can explain to me why voting Reform could be seen as an intelligent choice. Or you could just throw some more
insults instead.

I came into this subthread to point out that “Anyone who I disagree with is obviously not as clever as me" is, in fact, exactly what you think.

We can keep driving the point home if you like, but there’s really no need.

😂 of course you can’t answer my question.

I clearly stated above that I believe Reform voters are stupid. I don’t believe everyone who disagrees with me is stupid in general. You’re making a non point.

Ha, well, I used to care but I don't anymore. Extremes, any extremes, will see others as radicals because they want and need division to feel relevant.
Far left can be morons for sure, but I do think there is a particular cruelty about the far right which is their added 'spice' as it were...

I'm not your dancing monkey to come to heel every time you try to change the subject.

Your claims about Reform voters clearly indicate that you view them as a monolith. This is not the mark of an intelligent analysis. Healer, heal thyself.

I'm done wasting time talking to you. Feel free to respond with "see, you can't answer the points I'm raising" which is clearly your go-to every time your attempt to change the subject fails.

The Left are just cruel to different people (women who understand the difference between sex and gender, for instance).

It isn't virtue-signalling to express alarm that a fascist party has gained so much traction in the UK.

You’re talking about the Greens, presumably, referring to their attempts to make it illegal to point out that women are adult human females?

Both extreme left and extreme right have elements of cruelty within their beliefs.

Im personally against extremism in general, regardless of which side of the political spectrum it’s on.

Also, we don’t have any fascist parties in this country. Thank god.

I was thinking exactly the same!

I am not a reform voter but this sort of silliness is exactly why people do vote reform. I normally vote left but I’ve struggled to find a party that doesn’t come across as petty and hateful to those who don’t share all their views.