Giving Reform voters what they voted for

[Nobarbsbeforecarbs]

Taking the “giving people want they vote for” principle to its logical next step, if Labour or the Greens form the next government, should they:

• Pass legislation to confirm the Human Rights Act no longer applies to Reform voters and/or anyone living in Reform constituencies.
• Withdraw the right of Reform voters and/or anyone living in a Reform constituency to use the NHS unless they have private health insurance to cover the cost or can pay privately.

Just putting this out there.

AIBU?

Well quite. It’s just ridiculous.

Most European countries spend more taxpayers’ money on healthcare.

These are such rubbish points. Alot of people (including me) just want to copy the best health systems (France etc) many of which are in Europe funnily enough so you'd think the rabid remainers would be keen to copy rather than sticking with our own rubbish system (which for the hard of thinking is not "free"). But alot of the hard people seem to think that the only alternative system in the world is the US. And yes happy to not having the HRA apply to me and everyone else - it didn't for most of my life (age 56) as was only incorporated into law in 1998 and before that we seemed to deport foreign criminals etc just fine.

I haven't met a single person of colour voting for Reform, I say this as a person of colour. Yes, there will be some, but they will be a small proportion of the ddemographic. A huge chunk of Reform support online is bots and people from the global south posing as 'George the Patriot' from Burnley. There have been huge exposes on this. There is genuine Reform support in the country, but a lot of what you see online is fake.

Have you had vaccinations? Given birth? Had smear tests or mammograms? Do you take the pill? Have you ever been to A&E?

I virtually never went to the doctor ever until my late 40s (10 years ago). I was very fit and healthy too. Since then, I have developed a number of serious problems - through absolutely no fault of my own. Apparently. I was genetically predisposed to them.

I would like an alternative instead of having to use the NHS where I would probably die slowly anyway through waiting

I agree with you to a certain extent.

But is this something that your would trust Reform to do well?

Do you think most of the EU population have vacccinstions? Cancer treatment? A&E? Do you think at all??? Goodness!

I really don't know but at least they are talking about reforming the NHS which HAS to be done - it is a 1940s system which no longer works in today's world which is why it has such poor outcomes compared to other countries and why no-one else has copied it.

Sounds great to me
nhs is crap so I think private insurance is the way forward,
and human rights act needs complete overhaul in favour of common sense and law abiding citizens

hth

Interesting point. Well reasoned.

I was responding to someone who was saying They never used the NHS.

The medication I am on I pay privately because the nhs wait for adhd diagnosis was 9 years at the point I paid- not that it matters

Reform will probably get the majority of protest votes from people who are sick of the system that doesn’t benefit not reward hard working people

its depressingly predictable.

And that’s becoming more and more people. I vote Labour because we have a great Labour MP and I want to keep them so have no interest in voting Reform, but it is the people working a full week and ending up with less in their pockets than the benefit junkies that laze around all day that will vote Reform. It’s the people who are earning well but can no longer afford anything apart from just getting by that will be voting Reform. Do the mainstream parties have any interest in addressing their issues? I don’t think so.

Labour are doing well on getting immigrants processed and I respect Shabana Mahmoud but they are taking endless taxes without addressing pensions, benefits and NHS. They fare endlessly blocking houses from being built (driving up the cost of housing yet further) and factories and offices being built (turning companies away from investing and growing here). They need to bypass the NIMBYs, fish discos and bat tunnels, cut welfare and ditch the current NHS spending model, and show that they understand the issues and are prepared to address them.

Exactly.

Where has this shitty idea come from that we should only pay for what benefits us directly.

We all for part of society and society contains many forms of inequality. People who can contribute, should contribute to help those that can't.

It's no wonder people are shoplifting with impunity, not bothering to wear headphones in public and cheating the school admissions process, they're the me, me, me brigade.

Shocking selfishness

If the Conversatives and Labour hadn’t allowed unprecedented amounts of economic migrants into the country over the last two decades, we wouldn’t be in a situation where Brexit happened and Reform are likely to get in. Absolute failure of government.

Or the shoplifters are the "society owes me a living" brigade who have been emboldened by the "gold star for everyone" brigade.

So you don't benefit at all from the fact that all British citizens aged 3-19 can receive a free (at the point of service) education or that other people can be kept healthy by a free (at the point of service) healthcare system?

Russian passports for all Reform voters, I reckon.

You do realise a lot of our current immigration issues are from Farage and Brexit?

we’re no longer part of the Dublin agreement which meant we could return asylum seekers to their last country before entry to the UK. So all those we’d have returned to France or wherever are now stuck in hotels.

LOL "If you can't beat them, join them" still a thing.

How would you paying less tax result in you getting a more accessible GP?

well then they should vote better, otherwise you get what you vote for

The German system is part taxpayer funded and part funded through mandatory health insurance. The average German citizen pays more than the average UK citizen. Waiting times are generally shorter though.