To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

I suppose that the ones who do the number crunching will be out in force on Friday and Saturday this week to see how the council election votes could be interpreted if this was a General election. I’ve already heard a few people on the news saying that it points to a Reform victory , but obviously a GE is still three years away.
The two main parties seem to be sinking in popularity and support, but people often vote tactically as well.
I feel that this week may answer a few of your questions op. Be interesting to see what happens

Yes, they will be voted in due to the shortcomings of the previous Conservative and Labour governments. People will vote for them. Hope it doesn't happen.

Well given the left have basically gone completely mad with the greens, anyone on the left now look like loons. So whilst we once had ‘anyone to keep reform out’, I think more people will now be thinking ‘anyone to keep greens out.’

"....mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay....and uncontrolled immigration"

It rather sound like you believe this too OP. Interesting take in what at first glance appears to be an anti-Reform post.

We live in a country where our media is only interested in letting us know what crimes immigrants and POC are committing, and casually keeping quiet about the majority of crimes being committed by home grown white folk. And the fools buy into their agenda.

Difference is that "home grown" people have the right to live here, etc., whereas far too many "asylum seekers" or "irregular immigrants" shouldn't have even been let in the country in the first place. We need neither, but we could have prevented crimes committed by irregular immigrants by simply not letting them in or deporting them or better monitoring of them.

They may win a general election (altho' I think they won't) but as for "running the country" experience with Reform Councils (looking at you Kent and Worcestershire) shows unequivocally that Reform couldn't run a children's tea party.

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The problem here is that the media and certain politicians would have you believe that everyone not born in the UK is a criminal.

It's a long time until the next general election.

I would like to say they will do well at local elections but this won’t translate to the same performance as general elections.

however after the shit show of Brexit I have no faith in the general British electorate’s ability to think critically and make a decent choice.

The reason the Greens are doing so well with the younger generations is because of reform. They’re all considering voting green to make sure they don’t get in.
I’ll be voting green for that reason! I don’t agree with all of their policies but I disagree with ALL of reforms.

I’m with you here!

If many of our councils go to reform this time, it will give people more direct experience on which to base their votes for a general election.
It may swing to reform this time but then swing back for a general election.

I’m a Labour voter and former Labour member, and I think Reform will win the general election, or at the very least be the largest single party in a hung parliament.

The only thing that can prevent that is (a) the Conservative Party has some sort of resurgence (b) Reform and Restore split the vote, allowing the traditional parties to come through the middle (c) people revert to type at election and vote “traditionally” because they fear the unknown.

I also think Reform might fall apart when their policies and opinions are put under scrutiny during a general election campaign. That said, they’re riding the swell of deep seated dissatisfaction with the traditional parties and politics generally, and people might not give a toss.

The only way Labour can save themselves now is Andy Burnham, in my view. Sadly they’d rather just go headlong into disaster, like the Charge of the Light Brigade without heroism or glory.

Do you have any evidence of that? Source?

No, I think what will happen is…

Labour will do badly in the local elections

Based on that and the pressures over the Mandelson debacle Starmer will be under pressure to step down

Andy Burnham apparently already has a number of MPs willing to orchestrate a by-election so he can become an MP and challenge the leadership

Starmer will be given the foreign secretary role, because despite what anyone says, he’s very good on the international stage and has a track record in that area

Burnham will be much more popular than Starmer and will win the next general election, I think he’d be a better challenge to Reform

Edit: Reform will do well in these local elections but their inability to run local services effectively will be their downfall in the opinion polls.

But we will see.

This is what I'm hoping for.

But that’s just not true is it? You can look up the government crime/prison statistics if you like and you will see that per capita non white men are by far the most likely to commit crime.

I agree, they’ll make a botch job of running local services, as they have done in the councils they run so far, this will open people’s eyes to the reality of what they’re about.

This is so true.

even if uk born people did commit more crime (which they don’t per capita), it’s an insane argument to say ‘well we already have criminals here so let’s invite more in’.

But are they reported as such? The right wing media does love to focus on the crimes of POC over white working class men.

It's quite apparent in the main stream media on a daily basis.

I find the argument that we have home grown criminals so shouldn’t have a different standard for foreign nationals absolutely baffling. Every crime committed by an immigrant is a failing of government to protect its citizens. I say that as a foreigner who is grateful to live here and has managed not to commit any crimes!

As do most immigrants, yes, including refugees and asylum seekers. This narrative is so misleading. Nobody is ‘inviting in’ criminals.

I think you have just illustrated CitizenZ's point beautifully.