To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

[Whatdoyouthinktothis]

I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

Wow!

I will leave you to it.

Co-operation, working together, sharing data, access to security files, finding solutions, operational issues, that kind of European co-operation.

Ok these are just platitudes, not what you’d do. The EU has co -operation rn and still struggles with migration issues.

Not sure anyone has cracked a managed, limited system yet.

Platitudes are all you and I have as we are not in government or involved in policy making.

I just ask for humane treatment of vulnerable people.

What I can do is vote and trying to keep Reform out.

What I don’t understand about some people is how logic just goes out the window because of their “beliefs”. We simply cannot sustain what is happening right now. It’s a fact that the majority of illegal immigrants will claim benefits. If they enter a country who eventually allows access to public funds, where they are better off claiming than working, why would they work? Some might not be able to work because of mental health issues after what they have been through. Not to mention the amount of medical conditions caused by family breeding. But this just adds extra pressure on an already stretched health service / welfare budget, it’s just not sustainable. The amount of people who have been killed, raped, attacked etc by an illegal immigrant should be a concern for everyone and the responses such as “they aren’t all bad” doesn’t make it any better. The UK cannot carry on the way we are and not just regarding immigration. Too many people in general are claiming benefits and not working. Too many people are playing the system. Too many people are getting away with theft and smaller crimes because they don’t have the police or space in prisons. Too many women are targeted by men. And yes that’s all men. But just because we already have bad men here doesn’t mean we should add more. Too many kids these days do not care about authority and know they can get away with a lot because there’s no deterrent. Too many hard working people are sick of not being able to get appointments, are sick of working 40 hours a week to be worse off than those claiming. Too many working couples are sick of not being able to afford kids when a couple of benefits can. Too many people are sick of being called racist by being genuinely concerned about things. The sad fact of life is a lot of people take advantage of kindness and unfortunately that means the genuine people lose out.

Why do you think Reform will solve these issues when they’ve been hugely exasperated by Brexit, which was what they campaigned for?

They campaigned for it because it COULD have been done right but they weren’t in power and it hasn’t been done as it should.

I am not saying reform will solve the issues but people are desperate. And the previous and current government just aren’t listening are they?

As a full time worker, my standard of living has got worse and worse over the years. We cannot sustain what is currently happening.

What do you mean Brexit wasn’t done right? We left the EU. That’s what Brexit was. What do you think should have been done differently that would make it less of a shit show? I mean, staying in the customs union would have been less damaging, but that wouldn’t have stopped foreigners coming which seems to be the main driving principle for most Brexiters.

You’re blaming the wrong issue - it is not immigration that leaves you worse off - unless you perhaps include the owners of hotels taking it in - a lot were the Tories’ mates when hotels started filling up.

Reform anyway will just make you even worse off - depending where you are on the income bracket - but private healthcare doesn’t come so cheap.

Labour’s accommodation isn’t cheaper.

No, because they’re paying the prices the Tories set up in some cases - the fat cats also know they have them over a barrel until the backlog is cleared.

There’s a hotel in my old area that was already shut pending start of knocking down for a care home. ££££ signs for owner and it’s stopped the rebuild and just ripped out the hotel to house asylum claimants.

That would be a disaster. Reform are a hugely divisive party. They would foster hatred and violence. They would create an even more unfair society. The rich would bevome even richer. The poor and all people on benefits would be pushed even lower down. It would probably plunge the country in a very unpleasant state of things.

No the new barracks which Labour have set up are not cheaper.

Yes, it’s still accommodation costs that don’t go to the asylum claimants that is costly though - not the individuals raking it in. This was being looked at in 2022 at least but I don’t know how the costs work out as in who gets the cash - would seem odd to just move cash from HO to MoD but perhaps they do? I will have to look into it.

I should have added that actually asylum costs in total are 0.2% of the government budget- surprisingly low I thought - even as a supporter of taking refugees and not against it. This under Tories too - and will come down as less need the places.

Basically, I’m saying don’t blame the individual claimants but look where the cash, such as it is, is going.

People aren't concerned that the money is being going to asylum seekers, they're concerned that it's money being spent. Whether it's spent to build accomodation for thrm or given to them to buy things is completely immaterial. £5 billion being spent every single year, and rising. And that's only the direct costs, and doesn't include the extra cost on the NHS, translators, policing etc - let alone the non-financial strain on society from the crime snd division.

That's a pretty big chunk of the £13.4 billion we desperately need to increase defence spending by, that government keep putting off actually doing because we don't have it.

Or else the £3billion needed to raise the 2 child benefit cap, if you somehow don't believe that we need to pay for our own defence.

Or enough to keep funding SEN without the drastic reforms coming. £12 billion is spent annually on supporting SEN currently, expected to rise by £3 billion in the next couple of years.

As a country, we only make so much each year, and there are huge public demands for all of it (and people do need to actually live off some of the GDP they create by working - currently government spending is a full 50% of GDP, it can't go up much more). People have a hugely unrealistic view of how wealthy the UK is, and think more and more money can just be spent like water.

I think over the next couple of years when people see how shit they are at running the local authorities they'll come to th conclusion that they'll also be shit at running the country.

Maybe. The complete shitshow the Greens have made of Brighton and Hove and Bristol doesn't seem to have dented their popularity.

If Reform, as seems likely, win the most seats in the next GE, then the other parties need to take a close look at themselves and ask why that is.

They just have not listened to what many people have been saying to them, for a very long time.

Ok - I appreciate clarification of your view, and I do prefer/at least understand your point it’s the overall cost, but I unfortunately, I do know people who think the claimants themselves are getting the cash so I went on that.

We are strapped for cash and yes we need defence, I personally agree with removing the 2 child benefit cap, but know there are arguments against that itself, and we definitely need SEN funding - however, my neighbouring Reform run council has specifically reduced/withdrawn that SEN support though - and they have been spending money on flags - instead perhaps? Is that better?

I don’t think reform in gov’t is going to answer any of these issues either - their economic policies are going to be more costly to the average/poor household and focussed on increasing high earner wealth.

I am fairly sure they will get in because people have been brainwashed and expect miracles in 22 months , when the issues are long in the making - And many were created by the very people now within Reform - my H is just reading a few posts about people jumping for joy, but then unable to name any policy apart from ‘the boats’ ( which is not just a simple issue ) - it’s MAGA all over again - the country full of people who get over excited about stuff they know nothing about. It’s cultish - And just as the icing on the cake I noticed someone in our industry was mentioned on a Reform exposed thread on X - voted in in a very poor deprived area in Suffolk ( he doesn’t live there ) - he’s an utter crook, doesn’t pay people, changes his name every 2 minutes, kind of dial a bride type and a cross dresser who was pimping himself out -he isn’t remotely interested in people’s issues , so clearly hes in it for the cash and backhanders.

Listening to Labour rn, they will miss what’s happening.

The only way to increase the amount of money available to spend on all the things you want is to increase UK productivity and GDP.

Increasing redistribution beyond a certain point (which we're past) decreases our productivity and GDP.

I find it so strange that the Left seem to believe that the Conservatives raison d'être is to keep nice things from people It's simply about making the country actually continue to function, using a slightly more nuanced economic viewpoint than 'but we want it'

I can only imagine it's projection, since 'keeping nice things from people' - aimed at class enemies - certainly does seem to be the Left's raison d'être. Taxes such as VAT on private school and wealth taxes are repeatedly historically shown to decrease the overall tax take (and indeed, that has already played out in Scotland with the schools VAT) so the only possible purpose of that policy is to impoverish the class enemies even more than it does the rest of the population. Rent controls (including excessive tenant rights) are repeatedly shown to reduce housing quality and supply. It does also make a good sound-bite I suppose.