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Is it correct that the golders green attacker had earlier attacked a Muslim man?

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tofumad · 02/05/2026 12:12

If so is it mental health and not anti semitism? That would be much better for the Jewish community, I think, not to have had an anti semitic attack. However I'm not sure of the facts. But if true it should be advertised to enhance feeling of safety in the community.

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MyrrAgain · 03/05/2026 15:52

I’ve reported. But they seem
to take a long time to respond to threads like these. Or they don’t do anything at all……….

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 15:58

MyrrAgain · 03/05/2026 15:52

I’ve reported. But they seem
to take a long time to respond to threads like these. Or they don’t do anything at all……….

I reported it. It was removed. Now it's back again. I've asked why it is seen as acceptable.

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 16:25

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 15:58

I reported it. It was removed. Now it's back again. I've asked why it is seen as acceptable.

The answer: the original post doesn't break talk guidelines but they're going to go through the thread znd identify the posts that are causing it to spiral. Fair enough. Let's see where that leaves us.

Typo

MyrrAgain · 03/05/2026 16:37

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 16:25

The answer: the original post doesn't break talk guidelines but they're going to go through the thread znd identify the posts that are causing it to spiral. Fair enough. Let's see where that leaves us.

Typo

Edited

The entire thread from the initial post itself and what it is supposed to function as is the issue. The title of the post on a giant and well seen website is enough. But then again, what do I know as reality anymore when we’re gaslit

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 16:48

I am inclined to agree with you. Once we can see which posts remain after the culling, I'm going to reconsider. The overall message of the OP's posts is that the attacker's mental illness means there was no anti-Semitic motivation for the attack. That to me is anti-Semitic because the attacks were clearly motivated by the declared faith of tge two victims.

Tikitaka20 · 03/05/2026 16:51

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 16:48

I am inclined to agree with you. Once we can see which posts remain after the culling, I'm going to reconsider. The overall message of the OP's posts is that the attacker's mental illness means there was no anti-Semitic motivation for the attack. That to me is anti-Semitic because the attacks were clearly motivated by the declared faith of tge two victims.

I totally agree with your feeling about the message of the OP’s posts.

AcquadiP · 03/05/2026 17:34

I'm posting this so that, hopefully, the OP will realise the seriousness of the situation facing British Jews.

Ex marines and paras are being brought in to protect synagogues and Jewish schools.
Schools - young Jewish children - at risk of attack for being Jewish. Ffs.
On the one hand, I'm delighted they're former marines and paras because these guys are not to be messed with.
On the other hand, I'm horrified because I never thought I'd see the day when this was necessary in GB.
British Jews have lived on this island peacefully for centuries. And this is their new reality. It's appalling.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/synagogues-jewish-schools-marines-golders-green-b2969675.html

Tikitaka20 · 03/05/2026 18:03

In case it’s helpful, OP, I’m pasting the below from an article in the Observer:

The Jews that Rabbi Baginsky is talking to are feeling fearful, she says, insecure. “Had the stabbing been a one-off incident, we could talk about the individual's mental health, but it sits within this wider context that’s been building in the UK since 7 October.”

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/after-golders-green-i-feel-an-old-familiar-dread?utm_campaign=576178_TheObserverWeekend_260503&utm_medium=email&utm_source=dotdigital&UID=&dm_i=7EQK,CCKY,2WFI4Y,1O6SR,1,0,0,0

After Golders Green, I feel an old, familiar dread

After Golders Green, I feel an old, familiar dread

As London reels from the latest antisemitic attack, Eva Wiseman returns to the streets of her childhood to find a community used to living under constant threat

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/after-golders-green-i-feel-an-old-familiar-dread?UID=&dm_i=7EQK%2CCCKY%2C2WFI4Y%2C1O6SR%2C1%2C0%2C0%2C0

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 18:09

Tikitaka20 · 03/05/2026 18:03

In case it’s helpful, OP, I’m pasting the below from an article in the Observer:

The Jews that Rabbi Baginsky is talking to are feeling fearful, she says, insecure. “Had the stabbing been a one-off incident, we could talk about the individual's mental health, but it sits within this wider context that’s been building in the UK since 7 October.”

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/after-golders-green-i-feel-an-old-familiar-dread?utm_campaign=576178_TheObserverWeekend_260503&utm_medium=email&utm_source=dotdigital&UID=&dm_i=7EQK,CCKY,2WFI4Y,1O6SR,1,0,0,0

Well done for posting this. I read it this morning and thought of this thread.

desauberfines · 03/05/2026 19:00

AcquadiP · 03/05/2026 17:34

I'm posting this so that, hopefully, the OP will realise the seriousness of the situation facing British Jews.

Ex marines and paras are being brought in to protect synagogues and Jewish schools.
Schools - young Jewish children - at risk of attack for being Jewish. Ffs.
On the one hand, I'm delighted they're former marines and paras because these guys are not to be messed with.
On the other hand, I'm horrified because I never thought I'd see the day when this was necessary in GB.
British Jews have lived on this island peacefully for centuries. And this is their new reality. It's appalling.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/synagogues-jewish-schools-marines-golders-green-b2969675.html

The dumbest thing with anti zionists / anti semitic people is that the modern state of Israel was precisely founded to provide a safe haven from anti semitism around the world. Terrorising local communities outside of Israel is sort of an own goal, yeah? Increasingly more Jewish families might well think let's emigrate to Israel then if our children and grand children cannot live their lives in safety and without being threatened or harassed in Europe. Supporting the state of Israel and indeed expansion to accommodate more Jewish incomers will become all the more necessary and desirable.

desauberfines · 03/05/2026 19:02

Basically a hostile climate for European Jews does nothing to achieve whatever anti zionists wish to achieve in Israel and Gaza, on the contrary.

KatiePricesKnickers · 03/05/2026 19:16

desauberfines · 03/05/2026 19:02

Basically a hostile climate for European Jews does nothing to achieve whatever anti zionists wish to achieve in Israel and Gaza, on the contrary.

They want Israel erased. That’s not going to happen, because the Western governments support Israel.
So they are getting pissy about it.
Just thinly veiled anti-semitism in fancy words and arguments.

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 19:20

KatiePricesKnickers · 03/05/2026 19:16

They want Israel erased. That’s not going to happen, because the Western governments support Israel.
So they are getting pissy about it.
Just thinly veiled anti-semitism in fancy words and arguments.

If they looked at a map of the Middle East, they would also realise that Israel is the only non-Muslim country in that region. European and North American nations need it where it is for strategic reasons.

AcquadiP · 03/05/2026 19:57

desauberfines · 03/05/2026 19:00

The dumbest thing with anti zionists / anti semitic people is that the modern state of Israel was precisely founded to provide a safe haven from anti semitism around the world. Terrorising local communities outside of Israel is sort of an own goal, yeah? Increasingly more Jewish families might well think let's emigrate to Israel then if our children and grand children cannot live their lives in safety and without being threatened or harassed in Europe. Supporting the state of Israel and indeed expansion to accommodate more Jewish incomers will become all the more necessary and desirable.

Agreed. Thinking - critical and/or strategic- is not their strong point!

Infact when challenged, they remind me of Little Britain's Vicky Pollard:
" no but yeah but no but yeah but"

Whysnothingsimple · 03/05/2026 20:17

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 19:20

If they looked at a map of the Middle East, they would also realise that Israel is the only non-Muslim country in that region. European and North American nations need it where it is for strategic reasons.

Israel (and the Southern Levant region as a whole) has always been strategically important. It’s why Mohammed chose to base his religion on the Abrahamic one and incorporate rules for conversion or suffer penalties into his new religion. The Abrahamic base (at the time most of the Southern Levant Region was Christian and previously Jewish) was very important because, being a trader he wanted to ensure a route from the Eastern Trade routes to the Mediterranean. It’s why so many Muslim holy sites there sit on top of the Christian and Jewish holy areas.which, of course, leads to tensions..

Now of course Israel isn’t needed for the trade routes Per se but of course Israel is so very important to the West as it provides a base for monitoring the surrounding countries which, like it or not pose a threat to the Western worlds way of life if they moved west. Again the US is, in the flip side targeting Iran because it, again controls trade routes. There is no way the West will give up on Israel and why those who support the wiping out of Israel are desperate to gain political power in the west. Clearly the UK is seen as a soft target for this manipulation.

seasmussealife1 · 04/05/2026 10:24

Is it true the Golden Greens attacker attacked Jews because they were Jews. Yes

IdaGlossop · 04/05/2026 11:49

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2026 16:48

I am inclined to agree with you. Once we can see which posts remain after the culling, I'm going to reconsider. The overall message of the OP's posts is that the attacker's mental illness means there was no anti-Semitic motivation for the attack. That to me is anti-Semitic because the attacks were clearly motivated by the declared faith of tge two victims.

Mumsnet has removed some of the posts on this thread for breaking talk guidelines. The OP has said nothing for a while. I think we have learnt two things from this thread: 1. There are none so blind as those who will not see (yes, OP, I mean you) 2. Mumsnet has set the bar low for the sharing of anti-Semitic views, which it is perfectly entitled to do.

In conclusion, and so there can be no doubt, the attacks in Golders Green were targeted at Jews and are therefore just one component in an escalating wave of anti-Semitism in the UK.

Tikitaka20 · 04/05/2026 14:11

I am so glad Sarah Sackman (Finchley and Golders Green MP, and who also happens to be Jewish) has said this, although I wish she didn’t have to!!

www.theguardian.com/news/2026/may/04/golders-green-mp-sarah-sackman-lack-solidarity-liberal-left-jewish-community

Whysnothingsimple · 04/05/2026 15:11

Tikitaka20 · 04/05/2026 14:11

I am so glad Sarah Sackman (Finchley and Golders Green MP, and who also happens to be Jewish) has said this, although I wish she didn’t have to!!

www.theguardian.com/news/2026/may/04/golders-green-mp-sarah-sackman-lack-solidarity-liberal-left-jewish-community

I have to say, although generally not a fan of this government I’ve been heartened by the fact they really do seem to be increasingly willing to listen to Jewish communities- they’ve still quite some way to go but it is affecting how I’m seeing them (for the positive) I suspect I’m not the only one

Whysnothingsimple · 04/05/2026 15:33

Tikitaka20 · 04/05/2026 14:11

I am so glad Sarah Sackman (Finchley and Golders Green MP, and who also happens to be Jewish) has said this, although I wish she didn’t have to!!

www.theguardian.com/news/2026/may/04/golders-green-mp-sarah-sackman-lack-solidarity-liberal-left-jewish-community

These statistics really stood out for me in that article. Its absolutely shocking although reflects what a lot of posters have been saying

Is it correct that the golders green attacker had earlier attacked a Muslim man?
samthepigeon · 20/05/2026 06:48

desauberfines · 02/05/2026 23:18

Right.

The attacker has mental health issues.

He is an extremely violent man, maybe because of his mental health or maybe as well as his mental health.

He is already known to the authorities for being a religious extremist.

He killed his flatmate for some reason or other, maybe nice flatmate told him to stop it when he went out with his knife, maybe the crazed git told him about his plan to murder as many Jews in London as possible.

Then he goes and commits a terror attack.

So he is a petty murderer of flatmate he had a squabble with as well as an ideologically motivated killer. He's checking a lot of boxes. Thing is normal stabbing aren't reported at this level, terrorist attacks are.

It's really not THAT hard for most people to understand.

The End.

I didn't know he was a religious extremist - I am struggling to find a report about this. I know he was referred previously to Prevent, but I can't find a report about the reason for the referral. Can anyone help with a link?

BonneMamanAbricot · 20/05/2026 07:07

It's such a scary time. Some of my relatives are currently dealing with a neighbour continuously defacing their front gates and surrounding pavement with antisemitic graffiti and stickers. Younger relatives now have to hide their school uniforms and go to school on a private bus service - but antisemites broke into the bus one day and screamed at the terrified children. It is like the stories my great grandmother told, and now it's unfolding in reality, and we are seeing how people refuse to act, or minimise, or agree.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 20/05/2026 07:42

BonneMamanAbricot · 20/05/2026 07:07

It's such a scary time. Some of my relatives are currently dealing with a neighbour continuously defacing their front gates and surrounding pavement with antisemitic graffiti and stickers. Younger relatives now have to hide their school uniforms and go to school on a private bus service - but antisemites broke into the bus one day and screamed at the terrified children. It is like the stories my great grandmother told, and now it's unfolding in reality, and we are seeing how people refuse to act, or minimise, or agree.

That’s so awful. Our government has emboldened the anti semites by constantly turning a blind eye and not properly prosecuting the marchers chanting death threats and blatantly anti semitic things.

The lies, blatant bias and constant reporting by the BBC and the apparent reluctance of the police to deal with pro Pal thuggery and harassment of Jews are all adding up to this awful situation.

Some of the pro Palestinian supporters may be ignorant though to think they are just wanting to ‘stop the war’ but with all their focus on stopping arms getting to Israel etc, and no mention of how to stop Hamas, who form the Palestinian government and have declared their aim to eradicate Israel and all Jews, they are just making it easier for Hamas.

Boomer55 · 20/05/2026 07:43

Yes he had. He had mental health problems, so it wasn’t exactly targeted only at one group.

Humdingerydoo · 20/05/2026 07:56

Boomer55 · 20/05/2026 07:43

Yes he had. He had mental health problems, so it wasn’t exactly targeted only at one group.

This again.

So why do YOU think he travelled specifically to Golders Green before he started stabbing visibly Jewish strangers on the street?