Is it correct that the golders green attacker had earlier attacked a Muslim man?

[tofumad]

If so is it mental health and not anti semitism? That would be much better for the Jewish community, I think, not to have had an anti semitic attack. However I'm not sure of the facts. But if true it should be advertised to enhance feeling of safety in the community.

Do you not see how offensive it is to the Jewish community to say that a deliberate attack on them - an attack on people for no other reason than they were visibly Jewish - isn’t ’proper’ antisemitism (my quote marks) because the attacker has mental health issues?

As was pointed out ad nauseam on the other thread which you have been given a link to, the attacker stabbed his first victim, and then had the presence of mind and self control to travel, using public transport, to an area of London which is known to be heavily populated by Jewish people. At no point on his journey on public transport did he attack anyone. He waited until he was in Golders Green and then started to attack people who were visibly Jewish.

This has been declared a terrorist incident by people who actually know what they are talking about and who have a much better view of the facts than you. The terror threat level in the UK has been raised, again a decision taken by people who know far more about this than you.

So coming on here with all this wide-eyed faux naivety and your uninformed opinion that it was mental health issue is going to rub some people up the wrong way. I hope your feelings recover in due course.

Are you saying that, if someone is mentally ill and attacks Jewish people for being Jewish, that’s different to racism, xenophobia or antisemitism? Why?

I'm saying that if someone attacks a number of people, among whom are Jewish people, but not all of whom are Jewish, then the motivation for the attack may not be so clear.

He attacked his friend then he attacked two Jewish people. The attack on the Jewish people was antisemitic. What about that is unclear?

Please read the previous thread linked here before asking any further questions. That covers everything. For what it’s worth, I think this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

This is not a TAAT because I was unaware of any other threads when I posted. I was genuinely enquiring.

Why are you trying to minimise a violent anti semitic attack?

stop gaslighting Jewish people.

Who stabs a friend then goes on to attack other people, Jewish, Muslim. Black, Irish, or whatever ethnicity without an underlying mental health problem?

@tofumad you may not have seen footage of the attack

He was walking down the street and went to stab the older gentleman as soon as he put on his kippah

as others have said, he was known to the CST. Yes, he attacked a Muslim man who is known to him as well. So he is antisemitic and generally violent. He also stabbed a policeman and a dog in 2008.

Again, why do you think you know better than the police, government, and security services who have described this as a terrorist incident?

It is very clear and beyond any reasonable doubt that the Jewish victims were targeted specifically because they were Jewish. That is fundamentally antisemitic, and there is no value to anyone in seeking to gloss over that. Yes, the perpetraor had mental health problems. But it was antisemitism which caused his mental health problems to play out in the particular way that they did.

Trying to argue that the attack wasn't antisemitic, when it very clearly was, is just gaslighting. It doesn't help anyone. We have to acknowledge that we have an antisemitism problem.

It is an uncomfortable truth to have to confront, but we cannot hope to be able to do anything about it if we seek to hide from the truth.

I don’t understand your post.

The way people are attempting to deny that this attack was anti-Semitism is disgusting, and anyone doing it should be ashamed of themselves.

I can't really help that.

It would be mental illness not mental health, surely.

Wow, you really thought you made a clever point there didn't you?

Perhaps you could explain more clearly what you mean. Have you finished reading the linked thread yet, That shows he was antisemitic and also mentally ill.

What do you mean? What does the shooting in Brixton have to do with the Golders Green attack? Apologies if I’m missing something.

Im so tired. Yes OP, it’s all fine. Nothing to seee here. Just a mentally ill man attacking people at random. Ok?

Really? My point is that attacking people violently like this person has done, starting with a friend/family (not sure as isn't clear yet) then moving to more targeted attack against Jewish people, it seems, is clearly an indication of mental illness.

Your previous post was unclear.

Your point in this post has been addressed on this and the previous thread. Please read the previous thread.

We all agree with you that the attacker was mentally ill. The attacker was also antisemitic (he was anti-Jewish people, in case that is not clear).

Does that all make sense?

Whereas only sane people attack Jews because they’re Jews? Weird take, but ok.

Why do you not think people make a choice to be violent ? And make choices who to be violent towards

It appears he has mental health issues but that does not mean he was mentally unwell at the time

just because someone has a mh diagnosis does not mean when they commit a crime that they did not have capacity to make choices

when arrested he was taken to hospital, released soon after back to police custody and is now in prison there are no reports of him being sectioned and he will have been assessed by a mh team