Is it correct that the golders green attacker had earlier attacked a Muslim man?

[tofumad]

If so is it mental health and not anti semitism? That would be much better for the Jewish community, I think, not to have had an anti semitic attack. However I'm not sure of the facts. But if true it should be advertised to enhance feeling of safety in the community.

Some people with mental health problems are horrible people regardless.

Let’s not trot out the mental health card, the reality is that nobody who stabs people for any reason is mentally normal, so “mental health” is a red herring here.

I know… 🤦‍♀️

And apparently it would be ‘much better’ for them. 🤦‍♀️

He attacked someone known to him in a personal dispute and then travelled to a Jewish area to attack Jews. I mean let’s face it no one would attack someone in broad day light in Golders Green unless they had mental health issues - clearly going to be caught.

Great to know you’re feeling good about your post. For future reference, when referring to a violent attack against a specific group of people, it’s best to not casually opine about what might make said violent attack ‘better’ for them. HTH.

I was genuinely enquiring

🤔

Maybe you ought to reflect that the saying could also refer to you and your rather unnecessary comment.

I don't see anywhere I say it wasn't proper anti semitism? I asked if an attach on a Muslim person followed by an attack on 2 Jewish people might be explained by mental health issues rather than anti semitism. I still think this is a reasonable query.

The campaign against antisemitism are really controversial, a judge recently found that they 'deliberately misled' him and filed an 'abusive' private prosecution aimed at using the criminal justice system for improper reasons. I'm not sure how much faith I would have in their integrity, the judge certainly has none and has attached a warning on them so that any judges in future that they may come in front of will know their history of deception.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8d9lp5y9jo

Why would it be explained by mental health issues rather than antisemitism? The attacker stabbed two Jewish men, so he is antisemitic. He is both antisemitic and mentally ill. Do you see what I mean? Do say if it’s unclear.

If I were a relation of one of the two people from Golders Green who were hospitalised, the mental health or illness of their attacker would be the last thing on my mind.

Instead, I suspect I would have jumbled in my head thoughts of whether it was safe to keep the mezuzah on the frame of my front door; children (perhaps my own) having to be escorted to school for their own safety; the Jewish North London teacher who learnt about the Golders Green attack on a school trip to Auschwitz and whose pupils at his request phoned home, heartsick at 14 and 15 years old, to check their parents were unharmed; the deaths and injuries of my fellow Jews at a Manchester synagogue last year; the arson attack on four ambulances outside the synagogue in Kenton; the elderly Jews I knew who had come to the UK on the kindertransport and who are now watching unfold in the country that gave them sanctuary the very anti-semitism they left Germany to escape; whether I should urge my father, husband, and sons to relinquish wearing their kippahs; for how much longer the kosher butcher at the end of my road, and which we now have to enter only once the door has been unlocked from inside, could remain on the site it has been on for nearly 100 years; the chanting of 'from the river to the sea' each weekend on marches that have been taking place for more than two years and which keep me out of the West End.

There are just 250,000 Jews in the UK. Some are leaving. Others are thinking of leaving. All of them are afraid, every day. Afraid for their safety and the safety of all the Jews they know in our country. Each one of them deserves so much more than the absence of imagination and compassion that dismisses a knife attack on two fellow Jews, walking down their local high street on a sunny April day, as the random act of a stranger with a chemical imbalance in his brain.

Typo

What explains the attack k on the Muslim person then? Clearly that is not anti semitic

Right.

The attacker has mental health issues.

He is an extremely violent man, maybe because of his mental health or maybe as well as his mental health.

He is already known to the authorities for being a religious extremist.

He killed his flatmate for some reason or other, maybe nice flatmate told him to stop it when he went out with his knife, maybe the crazed git told him about his plan to murder as many Jews in London as possible.

Then he goes and commits a terror attack.

So he is a petty murderer of flatmate he had a squabble with as well as an ideologically motivated killer. He's checking a lot of boxes. Thing is normal stabbing aren't reported at this level, terrorist attacks are.

It's really not THAT hard for most people to understand.

The End.

😆IKR.

Well, what do you think explains it?

Fortunately, the flatmate was not killed.

Just to clarify, no one was killed. Not the criminal’s friend - who wasn’t his flatmate, as they didn’t live together - neither the two Jewish men. All three were injured but not killed.

I think it is likely that this is a person with very serious mental health issues

Except having stabbed his friend - reportedly due to a disagreement - he then travelled from South London to North London without stabbing a single person. On arrival he made his way to the well-known Jewish area of Golders Green before stabbing two strangers, both identifiably Jewish (one was an Orthodox Jew, wearing the black frock-coat; the other was wearing a Kippah.) Those actions suggest that his last victims were attacked for no other reason than they were Jewish. He was also known to the authorities as he had previously been referred to Prevent.

😂loving the replies on this thread.

Glad the flatmate got away. He'll be a key witness, poor lad.

Flatmate will help put crazy guy behind bars or in secure unit for a very long time.

I think we all agree with you. He was also antisemitic because, after stabbing his friend, he specifically targeted Jewish men, as @AcquadiP and others have explained.

This shouldn’t need spelling out, but…

Anti-Semitic attacks have increased exponentially recently. It was never great but is far worse recently. Jewish people are understandably and, quite sensibly, scared. Schools and synagogues have increased security - I say increased because it was already, in fact, needed.

Two Jewish people have now been stabbed and it seems that people think it appropriate to have casual and faux-naive conversations about why it’s possibly not anti-Semitic. Ok. Say it’s not anti-Semitic - does that make you feel better? Why? Does Jewish people expressing their concern and fear in times that we know antisemitism is clearly hugely on the rise make you, what… uncomfortable? Annoyed? What?

How does debating to try to suggest this specific attack was not anti-Semitic benefit you? Can you honestly answer that question? Because none of the answers I can come with up are a good look, to be honest. In fact, quite a few of them bring up the term that I’ve used a number of times within this post.

It's pretty clear. Those who know, know