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Should I expect my mum to tidy my house?

221 replies

Airwaverly · Today 15:07

Would you guys agree that this situation is weird or AIBU?

My mum provides childcare for my 5yo DD and has done since I went back to work when she was 2yo. From when I got pregnant my mum offered to take care of DD so we agreed an arrangement and I pay her 500 per month to take care of her 3 days a week. Most days she picks her up before 9am drops her to school and then collects her at 2 and watches her in my house until I finish work at 5pm (i work from home). On school holidays she has her for the full day 3 days a week. They have a lovely relationship and my mum is great with my daughter.
For the first 2 years everything was great in fact I would say my mum went above and beyond she would have the house spotless, while still taking care of a crazy toddler. However in the last year things have drastically changed my mum no longer does anything other than babysit so even though I tidy up all the breakfast stuff on my lunch break by the time I finish work at 5 the house is absolutely upside down. My daughter is 5 and is good to put things away but needs to be reminded, my mum obviously isn't reminding her as there will be lego and magnatiles strewn throughout the house along with pages of colouring and soft toys. Often my DDs school uniform will be left on the floor collecting dog hair and any snacks/drinks/coffee cups etc will just be left on the coffee table instead of being put into the dishwasher. My mums own house is immaculate and she is extremely fit she just completed her 2nd half marathon (so its not a lack of energy thing) . I find it hard to start even cooking dinner because of the mess all over the countertops. I don't know what changed and my mum is not someone who you you can talk to about these things so i wouldn't bring it up with her. I don't expect her to be a full time cleaner but even just tidy up a little bit by putting the used dishes in the dishwasher! Or am I being a spoiled brat?

OP posts:
FreePurpleCoffee · Today 20:41

You are working from home

As per this post, you only have one child, who is 5. Not a toddler who needs constant watching.

Someone else actually collects your child from your house, and does the school run!

And also does the school pickup.

presumably you get a paid lunch break- use it to prepare stuff for dinner. Slow cooker meals are so easy for weekday dinners,

why aren’t you tidying up breakfast dishes in the morning? What are you actually doing with all your time?

You have plenty of time- far more than most. You’re disorganised and have gotten too used to your mum doing the running.

Not a bit of wonder she’s backed off from doing as much

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · Today 20:41

How hands on is your dh? Does he get stuck in straight away with jobs? Does he put everything away when he comes home from work? Play with his child, help with homework, clean the kitchen and start preparing dinner? All whilst being in a jolly mood. Or has your mum seen him come in and start lounging about?
Maybe this is the reason. It might only have taken the once for her to think sod this , I’m not cleaning up whilst he sits about not doing it.

Nogimachi · Today 20:43

Ilikewinter · Today 15:54

I wonder if your mum wants to step back a bit and doesn't know how to tell you, so instead she's letting the house get in a mess in the hope you might say something!??

I think this as well.
Why not check in with your mum - say you just wanted to ask her whether doing the childcare is still working for her now DD is bigger, are the hours still ok for her, is the money still ok for her and see where that goes?

SnozPoz · Today 20:46

Maybe she needs a pay rise after 5 years on the same rate? Sounds like she's working to rule!

Airwaverly · Today 20:50

FreePurpleCoffee · Today 20:41

You are working from home

As per this post, you only have one child, who is 5. Not a toddler who needs constant watching.

Someone else actually collects your child from your house, and does the school run!

And also does the school pickup.

presumably you get a paid lunch break- use it to prepare stuff for dinner. Slow cooker meals are so easy for weekday dinners,

why aren’t you tidying up breakfast dishes in the morning? What are you actually doing with all your time?

You have plenty of time- far more than most. You’re disorganised and have gotten too used to your mum doing the running.

Not a bit of wonder she’s backed off from doing as much

As I have already explained I get up get myself and my child dressed and fed and ready for school, my daughter is collected at 8.55 and I have a call at 9am so the first time I have to properly clean the house is on my lunch break 12.30 so that when my mother comes back with my daughter the place is tidy and after school snack is waiting. We have slow cooker meals regularly but I find it impossible to relax in mess so I still have to tidy up before i plate up dinner.

OP posts:
vickylou78 · Today 20:50

Has your DD got too many toys? Difficult to put away? Why is it so much drama for you to put them away with your daughter together when you finish work?

Airwaverly · Today 20:51

SnozPoz · Today 20:46

Maybe she needs a pay rise after 5 years on the same rate? Sounds like she's working to rule!

It's 3 years and it has gone up by 100euro from already agreed

OP posts:
Newusername0 · Today 20:51

I paid a nanny £2k for 3 days pw. So I wouldn’t say it’s ‘paid’ help, although I appreciate it might feel like it, she isn’t getting the going rate is she.

I would accept it, but it is strange it changed so drastically. Do you think she might have been feeling a bit unappreciated? Were you leaving it in a mess for her to clean up?

Airwaverly · Today 20:52

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · Today 20:41

How hands on is your dh? Does he get stuck in straight away with jobs? Does he put everything away when he comes home from work? Play with his child, help with homework, clean the kitchen and start preparing dinner? All whilst being in a jolly mood. Or has your mum seen him come in and start lounging about?
Maybe this is the reason. It might only have taken the once for her to think sod this , I’m not cleaning up whilst he sits about not doing it.

They don't usually cross paths as he's at work while she's here

OP posts:
Feis123 · Today 20:54

I don't think money should ever come in between relatives. Ends up all warped. This one is particularly difficult - you pay, so the hierarchy is stacked in your favour, she is your mother, so the hierarchy is in her favour and the two shall not be reconciled.

RightOnTheEdge · Today 20:54

I'm surprised at a lot of theses comments.
It doesn't sound like OP is expecting her mum to act like a cleaner just tidy up after herself and get the kid to tidy up her toys when she's done.

I wouldn't dream of going to someone's house and just leaving my dirty coffee cups and mess around like a slob whether I was getting paid or not.

Why does it matter if OP is cleaning the breakfast up at lunchtime? Her Mum is not coming over until later in the afternoon so how is it hurting anyone?

wahwahwoo · Today 21:01

It’s one thing for my mother to offer to look after my kids (v rare!); it’s quite another to pay her to do it. I could never.

It feels like you’ve become your mum’s employer, and also like she’s monetising her relationship with her granddaughter. I don’t think you’re being unreasonable about the mess, but the whole situation feels odd to me.

MissRaspberryRipples · Today 21:04

Would it not be cheaper to use breakfast and after school clubs if your daughter is now in school full time? If she's 5 surely she's in school 9 til 3. Or are school hours different where you are. My primary school child does 8.45 til 3.15 and I get some schools vary on their start and finish times. Even when I work more than three days breakfast and after school clubs only work out at around £16 per day if using both and she's in breakfast club at 7.30am and finishes breakfast club at 5.45 pm

OneNewEagle · Today 21:08

It’s your daughters mess. It’s not up to your mum to clean your house she is providing childcare. She’s probably utterly exhausted from doing this three days a week every week.

CheeseyOnionPie · Today 21:12

You’re paying her less than £40 a day for looking after your child, and it’s peace of mind for you because she’s her grandmother and they have a good relationship which is (in my view) preferable to another childcare setting where your child is one of many being looked after by staff.

I wouldn’t get too stressed about the tidying.

WavesBeachToddlerCastles · Today 21:17

BunnyLake · Today 16:24

She’s basically a paid nanny. Are nannies expected to do house work? She should clear up after herself and the mess gc makes in her care, but outside of that?

@BunnyLake yes, paid nannies are absolutely expected to clear up after the child they care for. I had a nanny until recently (child is going to preschool soon) and the child's room, play area and kitchen were all tidied and cleared every day. Being at home every day makes a lot of mess. Of course you clear after meals, tidy toys away etc. At age 5, it should be an easy job.

OP, maybe your mum just isn't up to the task anymore. If you don't have the kind of relationship where uou can talk about it, she maybe doesn't feel.she can tell.you she's done either.

itsallrosy · Today 21:23

I’m baffled by some of these comments! I don’t think OP is expecting her mum to be a cleaner, just to not leave the house in a worse state than when she arrived. Surely that’s common decency? Dirt and mess drive me up the wall and I can’t relax until it’s sorted, so this would really get to me. Especially as you’re paying her (in my personal opinion, £500/mth is an absolutely ludicrous amount to take from your own daughter but that’s a separate point and between the two of you), I think the least she could do, surely, is to have enough respect for your home that it isn’t left like a bomb site. I do agree with other posters that wraparound care may be a better option, but it would be a shame to disrupt what sounds like a lovely relationship between them. Could you just be honest? Especially considering her own home is tidy and this didn’t used to be the case? Even if you mentioned how stressed out your home environment is making you lately to see what she says. Hope it’s not getting to you too much, OP x

Ohnobackagain · Today 21:25

“Mum, is everything ok with us/childcare? I can’t help noticing c y z is not how it used to be. Is it too much? Do you want to stop, or do fewer days? Or is everything ok?”

”Now I have this 9am call each day, it would really help if you could help me keep on top of things by putting your stuff in the dishwasher. Also, we are trying to get DD to learn to do this too; could you try to remind her? I would really appreciate it”

Some kind of conversation like this @Airwaverly

Daisymail · Today 21:27

You are paying her for childcare, she is not your cleaner!

goingtotown · Today 21:30

Your mum is lazy.

LittleGreenDragons · Today 21:31

I get up get myself and my child dressed and fed and ready for school, my daughter is collected at 8.55 and I have a call at 9am so the first time I have to properly clean the house is on my lunch break

That's quite interesting. You expect/want your mother to tidy up when she's looking after your child by herself but you are saying you can't do any tidying before your child leaves in the morning? Perhaps that's why she's stopped doing it, maybe she thinks you should get up earlier to get it done before 8.50. Not a dig btw, but could be a reason.

gillefc82 · Today 21:32

I don’t have DC myself so have never needed to call on my parents for childcare but the closest I’ve come to blurring boundaries was a few years back when I asked my recently retired Mum if she’d be interested in cleaning my house.

We agreed £400 for a one off deep clean for the Spring and then £200 monthly for a fortnightly visit to do a maintenance clean. We agreed that the £200 would also cover a specific ‘extra’ task once a month/every other visit: e.g. normal cleaning tasks would be things like sweeping, hoovering and dusting, whilst the ‘extra’ tasks would be things like cleaning the windows or cleaning the kitchen cupboards/fridge/oven/extractor hood etc.

My Mum lasted all of 2 weeks and 3 visits before she resigned, having deep cleaned the rooms upstairs, the living room and getting halfway through the kitchen. We have 3 large dogs that constantly shed a lot of fur, plus a back garden that, thanks to their crazy zoomies and North West England’s delightful penchant towards dampness, has turned my once pristine lawn into a mud pit. Essentially, she became quickly disheartened with the amount of dog hair and dust she had to tackle before she could even start any meaningful cleaning, and she felt whatever progress she’d made during the visit before was lost by the time she came back for her next visit 4-5 days later.

To be clear, my DH and I were doing our usual tidying up/cleaning in between her visits (we aren’t scruffbags!!), but with us both working FT, plus my PT studying for my Masters, we were always on the losing side of the constant, unavoidable, unassuaging battle against the tidal wave of dog hair and dust. It left her feeling it would be a thankless task and any outcome she did achieve would never be quite up to her (self admittedly) perfectionist cleaning standards.

In the end, after thanking her and paying her for the time she’d spent, we hired a local cleaning company to finish off the remaining bits of the deep clean and to do the ongoing regular cleans.

Of course it would have been lovely if it had worked out with my Mum - for her some extra money, for me having someone I trust implicitly to be in my home and to do a great and thorough job, not to mention the bonus of her and the dogs getting to spend some regular time with each other.

I don’t feel at all annoyed at her deciding it wasn’t feasible to continue and I’m glad she made the call to pull the plug as quickly as she did. Our relationship is far too important to risk over an arrangement that isn’t workable and the remotest chance of any slow building resentment forming (on either/both sides).

As it stands, I’m much more comfortable having a simple, loving Mother/Daughter relationship with my Mum and a separate, purely professional dynamic with the person who is toilet ducking my loo!

Perhaps you could approach the conversation with your Mum on the premise that given your DD is coming toward the end of her first year in school, you and your DH have been reflecting on current and future household arrangements (respective working set ups, split of domestic chores, quality of and availability for family time, childcare arrangements etc), and you’ve decided it would work best if DD went into wraparound care on x days each week (or whatever you think will be best for you), which means the focus of the time your Mum spends with her granddaughter can be less about providing regular/routine care and more on spending purposeful fun/quality time together, bonding and further growing their relationship?

Pipsquiggle · Today 21:33

I employed a part time nanny to do drop off and pick up 4 days a week 4 years ago. Similar hours to your mum. We paid her about £1200 per month, maybe slightly more.
She did food prep and cleared that away. No cleaning.
I realize I was paying a professional but what you are paying your mum and your expectations of what duties she should carry out is ridiculous.
If you are able you need to have a chat with your mum. Could you pay her more and ask her to clean as well?

Restlessdreams1994 · Today 21:36

Surely it doesn’t take you long to tidy away a few toys and put the plates and cups in the dishwasher?

BruFord · Today 21:37

Ilikewinter · Today 15:54

I wonder if your mum wants to step back a bit and doesn't know how to tell you, so instead she's letting the house get in a mess in the hope you might say something!??

@Ilikewinter You might be right, something's going on.

@Airwaverly I don't see how you're going to resolve this without talking to your Mum. As your DD is finishing her first year at school, perhaps you could use that as a reason to discuss childcare - Mum, now that DD's settled at school and we've got access to wraparound care during termtime, do you want to cut down on childcare? Perhaps she wants to do something else with her time, but doesn't want to let you down.