PIP for Anxiety

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AIBU to clear things up?

The current nasty rhetoric around disabled people at the moment is astounding. Society needs to be reminded that we are ALL one illness or accident away from disability.

Everyone knows someone who is gaming the system, yet the PIP fraud rate is extremely low. The public demonising, does not match the reality.

The hot topic is “anxiety” and how people with “anxiety” are gaming the system, getting “free” cars and robbing tax payers; this is being constantly fed through media, news articles and so on.

This is simply not true. The people spouting this nonsense clearly have no idea how PIP works. Nobody gets PIP without strong medical evidence. Nobody.

Before anyone posts “my neighbour got PIP just by telling lies”. No, they did not. That’s not how it works.

People need to be educated properly on how benefits work, how they are awarded and what the criteria for mobility cars actually is; the cars are not in fact free.

People need to be educated on the fact that there is anxiety, which every human suffers from at some point, and then there are anxiety DISORDERS which are entirely different and can be life changing and debilitating. Hence, the need and entitlement for PIP.

Brenda down the road who feels too anxious to go to Bingo on a Friday night is NOT getting PIP ❌

Mary up the lane who has such severe OCD that she cannot leave her own home for fear that she will die, IS getting PIP .✅

There’s a huge difference.

The current turning on disabled people is shameful and we are living in a country full of hate because Bob (and his Uncle) are annoyed that they are paying tax to “support all of these scroungers”.

Bob (and his Uncle), needs to hope that they never get cancer, or suffer life changing trauma or have an unfortunate accident to avoid being served a huge scrounged humble pie.

I do not suffer from anxiety but as a human, I am pleased we have a system in society to support the most vulnerable people who need it. Life can happen to anyone.

It's amazing, isn't it ? The one government stat that the benefits crusaders seem to accept without question is the low rate of PIP fraud. I'm claiming it. I get a much higher rate....because I lied. And exaggerated the extent of the effects of my illness. Telephone assessment, multiple YouTube tutorials on how to answer the questions from the assessor. It's my first claim to benefits of any kind in 40 years. I feel absolutely no guilt, as I have a life limiting health condition, requiring 16 hours a week of in hospital treatment. And in my street alone, there are several people with Motability cars who do not drive them,and loan them out to relatives permanently.

Evidence is a scr, prescription and Evidence of secondary care as absolute minimum. You can't even fill in a pip form without an scr

Exactly. I worked there. I saw it from the inside.
So unless you have too.
I'm more qualified to comment.
Tone of your comment suggests you assume I'm wrong.
I wonder why you'd be so determined to believe that?

So what do you class as evidence?

That’s what I’m saying though - I could present the need without lying and I’m sure I could get awarded DLA.

Constipation - frequent medication and disimpaction regimes, extra washing, monitoring fluid intake, encouragement to take medication (e.g. making it in jellies, syringing it in - can be 2L of medication), time for toilet sits after every meal.

It meets a lot of the criteria I’m sure but would having money make any difference to her condition, absolutely not! I don’t think I should be being paid because my parenting journey is a little bit harder.

My son - nights of vomiting before big events, visual timetables needed, leaving places where he doesnt cope, meltdowns.

I absolutely think I could fill in the forms honestly and be awarded. I have plenty of medical documents to back it up, some here might say I should due to level of need. But in truth our lives are good, my children are happy and extra money will not improve our lives.

I think many people think ‘I can claim therefore I will!’

Go and fill a form in and see what they ask you for
I can't remember. I remember what I knew.

The free car attitude pisses me off. The motability cars aren't free. They are leased using the mobility element of pip. If you simply bought a car via finance from cinch and used your pip to pay for that what's the difference? Also they are leased so go back after 3 years. People who want a high end motability car have to make a down payment of thousands and still don't own the car. My 20 year old son gets pip and has a car, he doesn't drive so I drive him everywhere in it. He also doesn't work due to his social struggles but happily volunteers at a charity shop once or twice a week

How do you know they’re motability cars ?

Why would you swap monthly income for a car you don’t drive?

I know a few people who get PIP and have massively exaggerated symptoms to qualify. Not for anxiety, and they do have a health issue yes, but they definitely can wash, dress themselves and cook for themselves but claim they can’t, as only way to score points. Perhaps the rate of PIP fraud documented is high, but the numbers of people exaggerating symptoms is a lot. And people always come along and say you don’t know this for a fact, well I do when they freely admit in health groups they base it on their worse day which is like once a year. That’s not how it’s meant to work.

I think what people are disputing is that:

1. A lot of people don't inform the authorities about benefit fraud. Some people view it as grassing on people. Many on MN actively discourage suspicious parties from doing so as they always stress that you have no idea about the reality of what people are dealing with and people can mask a lot etc etc.

1. The level of investigation is often very limited and wouldn't expose someone who was reasonably intelligent and intent on defrauding the system. Data matching, using social media etc won't catch many PIP frauds.

For my son's DLA I had his senco write a lot of evidence of his behaviours and his autism assessment report as evidence

You can’t remember!

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Kfti48dj is completely wrong

You could claim on any condition. It's not what the condition is, it's how it affects your life.

There is no list of conditions that can or can't be claimed for

You're an idiot 😅

Exactly

I have a family member who claims PIP. He is severely disabled, is unable to move from his wheelchair without assistance, can't feed himself or move any part of his body unaided
He is also permanently catheterised. His PIP goes towards paying the heating bills - because he is unable move he gets very cold - towards the purchase, maintenance and servicing of his electric wheelchair, physio therapy and acupuncture to help him to retain some muscle strength and to relieve pain respectively.

It also pays for someone to help move him from his bed via the manual wheelchair, commode and shower, into his electric wheelchair every morning. His wife is unable to manage this on her own, although she is his 24/7 carer, a fulltime job that pays the princely sum of £83.00 a week in the form of Carer's Allowance.

In addition, PIP pays for taxis as once again his wife finds it almost impossible to manhandle him from chair to car unless other family members are present.

He is eligible for a motability vehicle but the WAV he really needs requires a hefty upfront payment that has to be renewed every three years, as well as a monthly payment from his PIP allowance.

The family doesn't receive UC but has a mortgaged property and funded the necessary adaptations themselves too. They were refused a grant for the hoist that he really needs to make moving from bed to chair easier -once he's in his chair he has to remain there untill the children return from school and can help their mother to move him.

The purpose of PIP is to mitigate the costs of illness and/or disability and restore the concept of a 'level playing field' - as if it ever could!

Whenever I hear people moaning about benefit payments I have to resist the overwhelming desire to punch their fucking lights out!

Of course you can claim for anything thats why 65% of new claims are rejected i could apply for pip to say I broke a nail if I really wanted to

Well not that its any of your business but if you want to make yourself seem important , let me make it clear.

She has NOT been formally diagnosed Bi-polar. Her doctors notes say she may have bi-polar and she has been put on medication. This is on the basis of her keep going to the doctor saying she feels low one minute and has erratic mood swings with feelings of hopelessness etc. That is documented. What is not documented is that she freely admits she is putting on a performance (actually spouting bullshit).

Now is that good enough for you. (Waits for the next ridiculous reply😁sigh)

Don’t disagree but a diagnosis of anything won’t get you pip, it’s how it impacts you.

Because the drivers told me. And I suspect the relatives are paying for what is,effect a cheap lease, with tax, all maintenance ,MOT and insurance thrown in. It's not rocket science.

I agree. People in a situation like that really deserve the help - and more.
There but for the grace of god...

The system is letting everyone down, I believe

Not really because a psychiatric assessment is required to obtain a formal diagnosis of bipolar disorder and to initiate treatment with medication. Because bipolar disorder symptoms overlap with other conditions, such as depression or personality disorders, a specialized assessment is necessary to ensure the correct treatment plan

My nephew is claiming PIP for anxiety, which is a complete lie. One of my clients is claiming PIP for a bad back which is also massively exaggerated. They both admit to playing the system. There are others I know that claim that I suspect have exaggerated their claims but have not disclosed this to me. This is happening everywhere, and is unfair on the claimants who truly need it.

Which is why there are so many facebook groups specifically for how to word how your diagnosis impacts your day to day life and the points awarded for each descriptor.

But you need evidence