Why isn't there any mainstream media focus on British men rape who molest and rape, women and children? But just 'the boat people' ?! Evil/badness exists everywhere!

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I'm an immigrant of white British/European descent and I saw a headline today in the mainstream media about 'rape meaning sex' pleaded according to asylum seekers who have recently tried at court for rape.

What's going on? If I had to report a (my) white British rapist, I really don't think it would've made headlines. Nor would've any other abuse. White Male British men seem to get off with impunity, or I know are ever accused and formally charged.

I feel it is a shocking abuse of power that only newcomers and brown skinned/other culture peoples are singled out.

Why is it that the UK remains so very much patriarchal and oppressive towards women and children? Why are we not centred in such as way that it as important for women and children to thrive in our society and culture as it is for men of any/whichever long standing class? Is it classicism or what is it? Explain it to me, I truly don't understand why it has to be like this other than those who get a rise out of feeling powerful and in control of others?

Yes they’re old but rape is on the increase, and the vast majority of perps are still white.

When this is pointed out the answer is always ‘why do you want boatloads of men to come to the country’ even though no one in the thread has advocated for this.

This sums it up in a nutshell.

You quoted me first, don’t if you want to avoid my answers.

In any case you avoid it every time, why is that?

You benefit from a western democracy hell even in some you’d not be posting online at all, without severe risk. You’re pretty lucky to have a forum where you can post insults like the one you have.

I can only assume its because it was a 100% preventable crime if we had better border control and containment, monitoring and a faster assessment process for arrivals.

If women were given a vote, rape would be a life sentence and life would mean life. Same for any sex crime. The fact that it isn't should be headline news.

Several things.

1. Per capita. Men originating from certain parts of Pakistan are far more likely to commit these crimes. Plucking figures out of the air here, but if the population is 90% white, 10% Pakistani. And there are 70 rapes by white men and 30 rapes by Pakistani men, a Pakistani man is more likely to be a rapist. Crowing "white men commit more rapes" as if the grooming gang scandal is some kind of BNP fantasy is disingenuous at best.
2. The historic reluctance to investigate and report on these cases through fear of being accused of racism. This is well documented.
3. The tolerance within communities. Pakistani men convicted of multiple rapes of children and vulnerable women have had their wives, daughters, mothers, sisters screaming "I love you" as their evil relative were being taken down to prison. We may not publish and discuss sexual assaults committed by white men enough, but I've never heard of the women folk shutting up shop and standing by their men like this.
4. There is the perception of abusing hospitality and tolerance.
5. Maybe, just maybe there is occasionally a hint of bad actors keeping this going so they can take a free shot at Pakistani Muslims. But the communities themselves have left themselves open to this.

Maybe do some actual research from sources other than your preferred newspapers and publications, or tv talking heads. Read the enquiry notes, listen to victims testimonies. Read the court transcripts, listen to Maggie Oliver's story. Then come back and dismiss it with "white men rape too" if that is what you still believe. But if you are genuinely interested and read up without an agenda, I think you will be shocked.

I quoted you because you made something up and called you out for it.

That doesn't make me subject to your pointed and smug interrogations.

It's really not for you tell me what I benefit from, you don't know me and I don't know you. Are you even from the UK?

Eastern standard is American timing, so you are pretty lucky to be posting on a UK forum.

Literally! Just nonsensical really.

I'm an immigrant in this country and not any of the others, so it's quite obvious where I'd prefer to be.

Only the good Lord knows why recognising our men are as rapey as any other, means I don't want to be here.

Gosh to user name attacks, you must be feeling rattled. No I’m not in the US, it’s not how u/n work it’s from something else anyway.

If you don’t want to engage then don’t, I’m happy if you don’t quote me at all and I’ll do the same.

Exactly. There was an American woman who used to post here saying she was a better class of immigrant than other immigrants because she was a white American woman married to a white Englishman.

The sense of entitlement and hierarchy on these thread is unreal.

I'll try and find the thread, it was hilarious.

Perhaps all here prefer a western democracy then. Great I agree, part of the reason is it’s better for women and girls. Disagree or not up to you.

Yes we are. Of course we are! What a silly fantasist statement!

Would you rather walk through a square in Cairo, Kabul or London?

You may be privileged enough to claim that it’s just as bad here as any of these other countries knowing that you will never have to go there and actually experience it but that doesn’t make any of it true. Lots of bad things happening here doesn’t make it just as bad or equivalent to somewhere else.

This is the new champagne socialism.

If you are going to imply that other people should be grateful to be in the UK then expect to be challenged yourself.

You don't want to say where you are based but feel fine interrogating me. Make it make sense.

Perhaps that is because the grooming gangs have not been dealt with. I was an undergrad in South London in the 80s and it was happening then, yet Sadiq Khan still pretends it doesn't exist 40 years later.

When the govt and police actually deal with the issue, we can stop talking about it.

Since you seem to follow my posts it’s obvious I’m in the U.K.

On that note, go for it and engage with others. Enjoy.

Exactly. Such privilege and then to lose it when asked where they’d rather be.

I’m guessing we both post on posts that are trending.

I don’t follow your posts any more than you follow mine. I have no idea where you’re from, I don’t tend to ask posters this.

People can engage with whoever they want, that’s how a forum works.

I don't know what's complicated about why people may be more bothered about an asylum seeker or immigrant commiting rape.

Precisely because we have enough rapists to deal with that were born here.

An asylum seeker has already committed a criminal offence entering the UK illegally. To go on and commit rape while waiting for their asylum claim to be processed while we give them sanctuary from whatever they claim made them break our immigration laws to enter here, is outrageous

And if an immigrant has been given permission to live here it is because they have agreed to abide by our laws as part of the contract we have with them to let them live here.

If they then rape someone. It is outrageous.

It's not hard to see why people may be more outraged.

I don’t see the point in engaging further if you’re at the level of leaping on to usernames and insults. I’ll ignore your posts and see if you’ll do the same.

Of course the grooming gangs have to be addressed, that’s a given.

But there are lots of posters who focus on them to the exclusion of any other rapes, therefore giving white rapists a free pass. Even on a thread about other rapists, the thread gets hijacked.

Those posters don’t care about the girls who are raped, they just use them for racial and political point scoring.

Really!? I've seen plenty written about poor Preston Davey. Spoken to several people about it, and all find it horrific.

😂😂😂😂

Some men here are rapey so what’s a few more? Nothing to see here, let’s not even bother having any kind is selection process as to who we allow to live here?

If JV was not a UK citizen, any normal person would question why he was in the country. It’s not really surprising that nobody is debating this man’s immigration status, and there has definitely been media coverage.

Was going to write the exact same thing. I don’t understand the mentality of people thinking we need to bring more of this problem into the country.

Champagne socialism vs hysterical juxtaposition 🤔.

I can not want to walk the streets of Kabul or Cairo AND accept I'm at great risk of being raped in London too. As the OP asks - I can acknowledge that evil men come in all colours, shapes and sizes and rapists will rape wherever you meet them - Kabul, Cairo and London.