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to believe a "stranger" over my son about abuse

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QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 14:44

DS (he is 21) has always been difficult, as has my relationship with him. He was a challenging child and then a challenging teenager. The behavior he displayed in his early to mid teens ranged from mild acting out (silly fights, occasionally skipping classes to smoke with older boys) to stealing, lying and manipulating his family and others. DH and I did what we felt was best for him as parents. The whole lot, therapy, counseling, "consistency consistency consistency". We felt things were improving at one point in his late teens,as he approached the prospect of going to university and doing his own thing, but now I feel we may simply have been blind to it, or he became better at hiding this mean streak, who knows.

He was in a relationship with a young woman, who I'll refer to as A (24) for convenience, for nearly two years. I have grown very fond of A. She reminds me a great deal of myself at her age. Big dreams but like everyone does she has her struggles. Notably, low self worth. I was very much the same. The only difference between her and I is I had a loving family when I was struggling. A has only had my son, and by extension, us.
Two weeks ago A turned up at our house in tears. DH and I took her in and tried to comfort her as best we could, but she begged us not to let DS know. She also wouldn't say what was going on, at least until my husband had gone to bed. Once it was just the two of us she told me everything.

What she has told me, and what I saw for myself, the cigarette burns on her arms and thighs, bruises, marks, it is awful. He would lock her in their dresser for hours, humiliate her in various ways over trivial disagreements... I cried hearing it and seeing it. I have told DS I want nothing to do with him unless he tells us the truth. DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So now DS and I are not speaking, and DH and I are completely at odds. DH refuses to entertain the thought our son could/would/has done something so vile. And he has told me outright he is ashamed of me for taking "some stranger's" claims over those of our own flesh and blood. I tell him why I believe her, he says there is no hard evidence. I say well my own eyes are hard evidence, the bruises and marks I saw on that girl are NOT the result of an ordinary couple engaging in consensual sex, those are not signs of mutual sexual pleasure. And that if he truly believes otherwise he should join DS in seeking out some professional help.

We barely speak two words to each other now. Him sleeping on the couch, me hiding in the bedroom. My question is, am I really so wrong? Am I projecting my own trauma onto someone else and refusing to see the truth. I suppose, I wonder, if you were me, what would you do?

OP posts:
TFImBackIn · 18/04/2026 14:47

I would believe her, too. If it was a kink why would she come running to you and cry about it? Statistically, too, how many women want someone to stub out a cigarette on their body?

You mention a mean streak - has your son shown that before?

Nearly50omg · 18/04/2026 14:47

I would take her to the police to make a statement!

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 14:47

What an utter mess.

Your son sounds as though he has had very serious mental health difficulties for many many years.

How was the it left with A? You don’t finish what happened?

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 14:49

For how long has A and your son been going out?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 18/04/2026 14:52

Thank you for believing her and not defending your son simply because he is your son.

She came to you for help. Why would she do that if she was happy with things as they were? You are right to believe her.

I'm so sorry. It must be so upsetting to know that your son is capable of that, and so upsetting to find that your H is defending him. But you are doing the right thing to support her.

Please help her report the abuse to the police, and start to rebuild her life.

Shatteredallthetimelately · 18/04/2026 14:52

Your DH probably knows the truth but refuse to believe it as in doing so he would have to admit to himself what his DS really is.
A nasty, violent person.

Notatallanamechange · 18/04/2026 14:52

You need to take this young woman to the police. You’ve been brilliant, and it must be so hard on you having to face this information about your own child. But he will escalate this if he gets away with it.

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 14:52

A told you this a fortnight ago.

Whats happened since then?

AnonymousBleep · 18/04/2026 14:53

Having cigarettes stubbed on you is not a kink. I think you’re right to believe your son’s girlfriend over your son - especially given his past behaviour. That’s a tough position to be in, though. What are you going to do?

DecisionTime123 · 18/04/2026 14:54

Where is the girl now Op? Is she getting any help? You say she has no-one else? No family or friends?

WasTtt · 18/04/2026 14:54

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 14:49

For how long has A and your son been going out?

She says 2 years in the OP

ShallinloveDelight · 18/04/2026 14:55

Your husband is clearly in denial for very obvious reasons - who want to believe their child is capable of something so heinous. What an animal he is. This is a police matter, he will continue to do this to other women too.

Elizabeta · 18/04/2026 14:59

Even setting questions of convent aside (they’re clearly crucial, but just for a moment) - your son is saying that he enjoys stubbing cigarettes out on women. That’s not some who is safe for anyone to be around.

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:00

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 14:47

What an utter mess.

Your son sounds as though he has had very serious mental health difficulties for many many years.

How was the it left with A? You don’t finish what happened?

She has kept in contact with me over the phone, and ended things with my son, who, DH told me, has tried to get in touch with her to talk about things "as adults do". Always trying to frame her as this petulant child, it's become a bit of a pattern. And has been since he was younger... the other person is, invariably, the issue. Never him. Though he knows as well as I do our son is not an easy person to live with.
If not for DH I would have offered A to stay with me and perhaps could have helped her more, fortunately she has found shelter with a close female friend of hers. Someone in the thread suggested going to the police to make a statement - I did bring this up to her. Tried to underline NO ONE least of all me would feel angry with her for taking action. She doesn't want to see a GP let alone talk to police.

OP posts:
Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 15:06

So in the fortnight since…. All that’s happened is you’ve been messaging A and she has no intention of going to the police.

What do you want to happen OP? Would you be kicking him out? I’m not clear. You believe her. Your husband doesn’t. What do each of you think should happen next?

BelBridge · 18/04/2026 15:06

Your son sounds dangerous OP. The fact is he has not denied the actions themselves, but their intent. As we have all seen, the “kinky sex” defence has been used by numerous men in recent years to excuse their acts of depravity. In your shoes I would start by pointing your husband to the multiple court cases and articles that have focused on the “kinky sex” defence in recent years, and the harm that so many men have inflicted on women against their consent.

Bringyourfoldingchair · 18/04/2026 15:07

Good for you for showing you know right from wrong. I was abused by a boyfriend in my early 20s. The abuser still lived with his parents and 100% would have heard the abuse. They turned a blind eye, with the sister even making sly digs about how people who are abused are weak. When it all came out his parents went to my parents to talk and sat saying things like it was tit for tat (I was 5ft3 and around 8 stone). I now look back on them with as much hatred as I have for him. Please continue to support the girl if she has no one else.

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:09

AnonymousBleep · 18/04/2026 14:53

Having cigarettes stubbed on you is not a kink. I think you’re right to believe your son’s girlfriend over your son - especially given his past behaviour. That’s a tough position to be in, though. What are you going to do?

I have no clue. I am disgusted with my son and my husband, have tried to keep myself distracted by working. It feels like there's no way forward or out of this. Or should I say no way to speak sense into my husband? Once I can get through to him, I feel as though DS won't feel unconditionally shielded and some progress could be made... but I don't know how to show DH he's being terribly willfully blind

OP posts:
Itsmetheflamingo · 18/04/2026 15:10

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 15:06

So in the fortnight since…. All that’s happened is you’ve been messaging A and she has no intention of going to the police.

What do you want to happen OP? Would you be kicking him out? I’m not clear. You believe her. Your husband doesn’t. What do each of you think should happen next?

I don’t think he lives with his parents?

this is just horrible OP. It must be so hard knowing your son leads a life like this

Dewdust · 18/04/2026 15:10

It sounds as though your son gets a kick out of humiliating and degrading women and thats not something to be proud of.
It must have been a terrible shock to you to find this out, particularly when you thought things were ok.
The things your son is saying are what I consider standard excuses for abuse. " She was loving it...we did it for sex. "
Unfortunately your husband wants to brush all this under the carpet!
The good news is that she got away from him ( your son) and felt safe enough to tell you the truth.
Its also good that she is staying with a friend.
Staying at yours would inevitably lead to more trouble.
You could ask your doctor if you could see a counsellor to talk about the impact on you and to help you to develop coping strategies for going forward!

Itsmetheflamingo · 18/04/2026 15:13

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:09

I have no clue. I am disgusted with my son and my husband, have tried to keep myself distracted by working. It feels like there's no way forward or out of this. Or should I say no way to speak sense into my husband? Once I can get through to him, I feel as though DS won't feel unconditionally shielded and some progress could be made... but I don't know how to show DH he's being terribly willfully blind

I know this is frustrating but any progress may well take time. I guess either your H wants to forget about it so it goes away or when they shock wears off he’ll reflect on it

AcquadiP · 18/04/2026 15:13

Based on what you've said, I would be inclined to believe the girl. The "kinky sex" excuse doesn't hold water and he's admitted he enjoys degrading women, which is disturbing. I think you need to take the girl to the police station and get the matter reported. The police will determine who's telling the truth. In addition, if your son has been physically abusing this girl and he isn't made to face the consequences now, his behaviour will escalate in the future.

Dewdust · 18/04/2026 15:14

Dont think about them. Think of yourself and how you can cope.

JulietteHasAGun · 18/04/2026 15:15

I’d believe her….why would she make it up! Plus the fact you saw bruises, burn marks. Your son needs therapy/intervention of some sort otherwise he’s going to carry on abusing women in future relationships.

Error404FucksNotFound · 18/04/2026 15:17

I would believe her.

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