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to believe a "stranger" over my son about abuse

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QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 14:44

DS (he is 21) has always been difficult, as has my relationship with him. He was a challenging child and then a challenging teenager. The behavior he displayed in his early to mid teens ranged from mild acting out (silly fights, occasionally skipping classes to smoke with older boys) to stealing, lying and manipulating his family and others. DH and I did what we felt was best for him as parents. The whole lot, therapy, counseling, "consistency consistency consistency". We felt things were improving at one point in his late teens,as he approached the prospect of going to university and doing his own thing, but now I feel we may simply have been blind to it, or he became better at hiding this mean streak, who knows.

He was in a relationship with a young woman, who I'll refer to as A (24) for convenience, for nearly two years. I have grown very fond of A. She reminds me a great deal of myself at her age. Big dreams but like everyone does she has her struggles. Notably, low self worth. I was very much the same. The only difference between her and I is I had a loving family when I was struggling. A has only had my son, and by extension, us.
Two weeks ago A turned up at our house in tears. DH and I took her in and tried to comfort her as best we could, but she begged us not to let DS know. She also wouldn't say what was going on, at least until my husband had gone to bed. Once it was just the two of us she told me everything.

What she has told me, and what I saw for myself, the cigarette burns on her arms and thighs, bruises, marks, it is awful. He would lock her in their dresser for hours, humiliate her in various ways over trivial disagreements... I cried hearing it and seeing it. I have told DS I want nothing to do with him unless he tells us the truth. DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So now DS and I are not speaking, and DH and I are completely at odds. DH refuses to entertain the thought our son could/would/has done something so vile. And he has told me outright he is ashamed of me for taking "some stranger's" claims over those of our own flesh and blood. I tell him why I believe her, he says there is no hard evidence. I say well my own eyes are hard evidence, the bruises and marks I saw on that girl are NOT the result of an ordinary couple engaging in consensual sex, those are not signs of mutual sexual pleasure. And that if he truly believes otherwise he should join DS in seeking out some professional help.

We barely speak two words to each other now. Him sleeping on the couch, me hiding in the bedroom. My question is, am I really so wrong? Am I projecting my own trauma onto someone else and refusing to see the truth. I suppose, I wonder, if you were me, what would you do?

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Barney16 · 18/04/2026 17:14

I don't believe that anyone would consent to being burned by a cigarette. People have kinks and in a loving relationship people express their preferences but burning someone with a cigarette? Nope. Your son sounds, as others have said, a great danger to women. I really feel for you, this is beyond awful. Your husband is being unreasonable.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 18/04/2026 17:18

There was a campaign a while back, ‘we can’t consent to this’. It may be worth a look, and showing your husband.

I would also worry about the dog. Your son may have contained his disregulation by abusing this girl. It may ah e helped him appear to be ok.
She isn’t there now, he hasn’t got a target for his impulses.

If he hurts the dog, no one can say the dog consented.
Thank goodness the girl has a friend.
I am sorry OP, you are in a really hard situation.

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 17:18

Cherrypies · 18/04/2026 17:07

The girlfriend is not living there, the dog is, why are you ignoring the questions about the dog, OP?

The dog is OK.

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Holdinguphalfthesky · 18/04/2026 17:19

A police report so that there is a history for Claire’s Law?

AcquadiP · 18/04/2026 17:20

Boomer55 · 18/04/2026 16:56

I don’t think th dog is a priority here. The young woman is. 🙄

I'd already posted a comment about the girl upthread which you have seen had you bothered to read the thread. You would also have read that the girl and OP's son are no longer living together so the dog is the priority🙄

ToffeeCrabApple · 18/04/2026 17:22

She needs to go to the police.

Bertiebiscuit · 18/04/2026 17:22

Clearly your son is a violent abuser, I'm sorry but in your shoes i would report him to the police. Who knows whst else he has done to her, i just couldn't live with knowing what you know and doing nothing. He will do it again to another woman if you don't take action.

childrenaremyworld · 18/04/2026 17:24

Im so glad you believe A and are willing to support her. It’s an incredibly difficult position to be in but you’re doing the right thing in supporting A. Would you be able to take A to police station to make a report? I agree your husband is in denial. You said your son admitted to putting cigarettes out on her and beating her. That is all the evidence needed to prove she is not lying as he has admitted to it. You incredibly brave and doing the right thing standing by A ❤️

Shatteredallthetimelately · 18/04/2026 17:25

Bertiebiscuit · 18/04/2026 17:22

Clearly your son is a violent abuser, I'm sorry but in your shoes i would report him to the police. Who knows whst else he has done to her, i just couldn't live with knowing what you know and doing nothing. He will do it again to another woman if you don't take action.

Totally agree.

Then I'd make a cuppa, sit opposite your DH where you can look him in the eye and start wondering if you really know him, warts and all.

TheRealBossMama · 18/04/2026 17:27

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:40

I want my son to seek professional help, which I believe will only happen if my H lets go of the notion he can do/has done no wrong. It makes S believe it, too, or perhaps makes him feel "protected" whatever he gets up to - that's how things were when he was younger, as well. It took time, then, to get H in my corner. It's no different this time. This time though a young woman has gotten seriously, physically hurt, which I hoped would stir H out of this... state of delusion. I can't think of another word to call it. He is delusional. I need him not to be.
Most of all, I'd like to support A no matter what she decides to do. I love her as family. And will continue to do so.

Edited

Firstly - you are 100% in the right to believe her.

It must have taken so much bravery for her to come to you in the first place.

She has trusted you. Trust her too.

Secondly - men stick together. Different situation, but I was sexually assaulted by a male client at a works do 20 years ago, and despite there being plenty of witnesses, when I reported it to the MD the next day, they made the right noises...but then all of a sudden closed ranks with the client's company. I was 'advised' to drop the complaint because it could 'damage my career'. All the men closed ranks to protect the deal.

Your H has closed ranks to protect his S rather than believe her - and you.

This is not about her being a 'stranger' (she is not) - this is misogyny at its worst. Men supporting this kind of behaviour.

See what's happening in the latest CNN documentary about the rape academies. The Manosphere. Andrew Tate. Adolescence.

Your S is probably getting some of his inspiration through some of this online content.

His behaviour is at the beginning of a trajectory that will escalate if he continues to get away with it.

Goodness knows what else he's got away with in the past - this is just the first time a girl has come forward.

Believe her.

Go to the police. Show them this and tell them what you've told us.

Your S's GF probably knows that so many times, the offender rarely gets prosecuted and the victim's history is dragged up and put into question. She's probably terrified of that happening which is why she's retreated and won't go to the police.

I'm so angry for you, and you are an absolute hero for believing her.

Your S needs professional help but I'd be seriously questioning the future of my relationship with H if he doesn't open his eyes, ears, wise up and support you - and her - soon.

Wishing you strength through this.

Barney16 · 18/04/2026 17:30

Also OP, I think I would be very concerned about the next time he does this . Imagine if in two years another young woman knocks at your door covered in bruises.

lessglittermoremud · 18/04/2026 17:31

The burns will leave life long scars, and in very visable places so I’d be surprised if it was some sort of kink.
Perhaps it started as a kink that has gone too far, to me it sounds more like abuse/coercion.
Sorry, but if it was my child I would report him myself, so it could be investigated. Anyone who gets that much of a kick out of degrading someone and has temper tantrum because he’s asked for something that she won’t do, needs help and monitoring.
I couldn’t live with my DH if he thought the burns and beatings are ok because they were part of a consensual relationship, as a parent he should be asking how on earth he has created someone who derives sexual pleasure from burning someone…

anyolddinosaur · 18/04/2026 17:31

Sadly I'd have to believe the girl. Even if she consented to some of it she's left him. You said she had low self esteem and he will have picked up on that.

If my husband believed that sort of abuse was acceptable I'd be thinking of leaving him. Your son is still your son and if he accepts he needs help you should try and see he gets it. But there are some behaviours that are not acceptable and you dont have to pretend they are.

Maybe show your husband examples of where the "rough sex" defence has been used in murder trails and ask him if he wants to see your son jailed for 15 years. That's the risk if he doesnt get help.

Caniweartheseones · 18/04/2026 17:34

Referring to the repetitive points about the dog: So amazing how the English will usually put animals before people. I’ll warrant you the dog has much more likelihood of finding a home than the GF

TheCobbleCreekMonster · 18/04/2026 17:35

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 16:26

She has been no contact with her own parents for many years now. Substance issues there, and no siblings, regrettably, so besides DH and I, as well as a very small group of friends, she does not have people to turn to.

I wonder how much she was targeted by him as a result of having no support network.

Don't feel bad about raising a wrong 'un'. Our parents were the loveliest people but my sister inherited some terrible behaviour patterns that are rife in my maternal grandmother's genes and she has always done exactly as she pleases no matter the impact on those around her. She is the most utterly selfish person I have ever met. Most people have no idea of a lot of the things she has done to get ahead and get her own way. I can't bear to be near her and apart from funerals, I never see her. I consider her to be dangerous. She has no friends and her husband is at the end of his rope with her. I think he will be gone when the kids are a bit older. Our parents were in a permanent state of despair, even when she was a youngster.

RoseField1 · 18/04/2026 17:36

I think it's very possible that the DS believes she consented to these acts because he coerced her into them. She is now out of the relationship and able to identify what happened as abuse, but whilst it was happening she may have appeared to consent. This doesn't negate her experience but it could explain why the DS is insistent that she consented. Is there any way your DH could open a conversation about that with him? Open questions about why she would allege it was abuse now if she consented? Whether the DS can reflect looking back and think about whether he may have pushed her into things she didn't really want? It is a shame that you and DH are at odds when it's likely your positions aren't that far apart.

OwlBeThere · 18/04/2026 17:38

I don’t know how you can say you know for certain it wasn’t consensual from looking at her. Burns are burns however they are sustained. They don’t look different when you do it as a kink or when you do it as an abuser.

and as for ‘why would she come to you if it was consensual?’ Because people can be manipulative and very good liars. If they’ve fallen out and she’s that way inclined it’s not unheard for angry people to so very sneaky things. As it stands your family is fractured. And if her intent was to harm him and his family structure? She’s achieved it.

I don’t envy you OP because the truth of it is, only 2 people know the truth and you don’t have any way of knowing which is lying.
him being difficult doesn’t make her truthful.
her reminding you of yourself doesn’t make her truthful.

he’s clearly got issues, but people would issues attract other people with issues. Why doesn’t she have family around her? Friends? Why is she coming to you with this? That concerns me because liars often find themselves alone.

and before anyone comes at me about victim blaming, I’m not saying I believe him over her, or that she is a liar- I’m just saying it’s POSSIBLE that she is. And if it’s possible I’d need more evidence before I destroyed my family for her.

Itsmetheflamingo · 18/04/2026 17:39

Please don’t go to the police without the victims consent OP. You’ll just be another person disregarding her wishes

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 18/04/2026 17:40

I’d believe her. You were there in person with her and your gut instinct told you that you were hearing the truth and witnessing genuine distress. It must’ve taken enormous guts to come to tell you but she wanted to warn you about your son. And I think you’re a decent person too, for not just instantly dismissing her in order to side with him.

TheCobbleCreekMonster · 18/04/2026 17:40

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 15:48

Was that the end of the relationship @TheCobbleCreekMonster ?

Yes. A good friend worked with his Mum and he told me she was most affronted that he was dumped in this way.

I saw him at a funeral in 2024, not having set eyes on him since 1980. Weirdly he is still wearing a ring I bought him when we were together even though he is married. His wife is lovely. I went to school with her.

Glowingup · 18/04/2026 17:46

OwlBeThere · 18/04/2026 17:38

I don’t know how you can say you know for certain it wasn’t consensual from looking at her. Burns are burns however they are sustained. They don’t look different when you do it as a kink or when you do it as an abuser.

and as for ‘why would she come to you if it was consensual?’ Because people can be manipulative and very good liars. If they’ve fallen out and she’s that way inclined it’s not unheard for angry people to so very sneaky things. As it stands your family is fractured. And if her intent was to harm him and his family structure? She’s achieved it.

I don’t envy you OP because the truth of it is, only 2 people know the truth and you don’t have any way of knowing which is lying.
him being difficult doesn’t make her truthful.
her reminding you of yourself doesn’t make her truthful.

he’s clearly got issues, but people would issues attract other people with issues. Why doesn’t she have family around her? Friends? Why is she coming to you with this? That concerns me because liars often find themselves alone.

and before anyone comes at me about victim blaming, I’m not saying I believe him over her, or that she is a liar- I’m just saying it’s POSSIBLE that she is. And if it’s possible I’d need more evidence before I destroyed my family for her.

It’s possible but he also has a long history of disturbed and manipulative behaviour. What is more likely? He burned her with cigarettes, hit her and sent vile abusive texts because she really wanted it and now she’s trying to ruin his family relationships because she’s vindictive OR true to his previous behaviour, he is in fact a domestic abuser?

CoyGoldenKoi · 18/04/2026 17:47

@QuaintAquaTraybake
Regardless of whether this was allegedly consensual kink (and I think this is massively unlikely, it sounds far more like him dressing up abuse as kink), then IT IS NOT LEGALLY POSSIBLE FOR ANY ADULT TO CONSENT TO A NUMBER OF THESE ACTS. Regardless of consent, they would still count as assault, and in many cases, from your description, ABH. The law is massively inadequately enforced, but it is still the law as it stands.

And I say this as someone who used to be heavily involved in the kink scene for years, none of this is ok. Even if it were initiated by the submissive (which it very much looks like it was not, here), then no responsible dom would ever take part in this kind of activity, they would signpost the person to mental health support and refuse to play with someone who did not have sufficiently robust mental health to take care of themself and keep themself safe during play.

So, even if it happened as your son claims (which I don't in the least believe), he would still be guilty of criminal acts. There is absolutely no excuse. I'm so sorry. And your DH needs to examine why he's so invested in protecting an abuser.

RoseField1 · 18/04/2026 17:47

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:52

I have answered a similar response. There were text messages. DH and I have seen some of them.
He wrote to her about things he would do - "using her as an ashtray", to be specific - if she did not listen to him. There was no consent in any of these messages. Simply him telling her what he would do, what she would be expected to "take", or else. Is "Yes sir" indicative of her enjoying this?
I'll be frank - I don't care about this kink bullshit. Or about consent or not. Putting out cigarettes on a woman's arms and thighs, urinating on her, beating her breasts, leaving bruises and marks are abusive acts. It does not matter if one or both involved individuals are aroused by this depravity.

Edited

Well yes. I'm sorry to say that those messages are evidence of consent. That still doesn't mean it wasn't coerced consent, and I would be extremely disturbed about his impulses and behaviour but on the face of it she did consent in those messages. Are you able to discuss this with DH with any nuance?

youalright · 18/04/2026 17:55

Contrarymary30 · 18/04/2026 15:53

I'm not sure but it seems you've never liked your son since childhood and have always liked his gf . I'd ask the girl if she wants to go to the police , if it's really happened as she says then she will .

Why do you think your son is like he is ? I find it sad when someone says they've had a 'difficult' relationship with their child . It must affect the way that child ends up .

Just because someone doesn't want to go to the police doesn't mean their lying

youalright · 18/04/2026 17:57

Itsmetheflamingo · 18/04/2026 17:39

Please don’t go to the police without the victims consent OP. You’ll just be another person disregarding her wishes

This 100%