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to believe a "stranger" over my son about abuse

229 replies

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 14:44

DS (he is 21) has always been difficult, as has my relationship with him. He was a challenging child and then a challenging teenager. The behavior he displayed in his early to mid teens ranged from mild acting out (silly fights, occasionally skipping classes to smoke with older boys) to stealing, lying and manipulating his family and others. DH and I did what we felt was best for him as parents. The whole lot, therapy, counseling, "consistency consistency consistency". We felt things were improving at one point in his late teens,as he approached the prospect of going to university and doing his own thing, but now I feel we may simply have been blind to it, or he became better at hiding this mean streak, who knows.

He was in a relationship with a young woman, who I'll refer to as A (24) for convenience, for nearly two years. I have grown very fond of A. She reminds me a great deal of myself at her age. Big dreams but like everyone does she has her struggles. Notably, low self worth. I was very much the same. The only difference between her and I is I had a loving family when I was struggling. A has only had my son, and by extension, us.
Two weeks ago A turned up at our house in tears. DH and I took her in and tried to comfort her as best we could, but she begged us not to let DS know. She also wouldn't say what was going on, at least until my husband had gone to bed. Once it was just the two of us she told me everything.

What she has told me, and what I saw for myself, the cigarette burns on her arms and thighs, bruises, marks, it is awful. He would lock her in their dresser for hours, humiliate her in various ways over trivial disagreements... I cried hearing it and seeing it. I have told DS I want nothing to do with him unless he tells us the truth. DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So now DS and I are not speaking, and DH and I are completely at odds. DH refuses to entertain the thought our son could/would/has done something so vile. And he has told me outright he is ashamed of me for taking "some stranger's" claims over those of our own flesh and blood. I tell him why I believe her, he says there is no hard evidence. I say well my own eyes are hard evidence, the bruises and marks I saw on that girl are NOT the result of an ordinary couple engaging in consensual sex, those are not signs of mutual sexual pleasure. And that if he truly believes otherwise he should join DS in seeking out some professional help.

We barely speak two words to each other now. Him sleeping on the couch, me hiding in the bedroom. My question is, am I really so wrong? Am I projecting my own trauma onto someone else and refusing to see the truth. I suppose, I wonder, if you were me, what would you do?

OP posts:
LaughingCat · 18/04/2026 15:53

ThatFairy · 18/04/2026 15:45

How terrible for you. I don't believe the cigarette burns are part of a kink. That's just taking it way too far

No, they can be - depends on how the brain is wired. I feel heat as pleasure not pain so for me, branding/burns are lovely (but illegal, so I don’t let anyone do them to me, for their sake!). Cigarette burns are also somewhere in the middle of the pool for kink; not the shallows but nowhere near the deep end. It’s different strokes for different folks, I guess.

It’s the rest of this that sounds off, from a kink perspective. The reaction of both parties sounds more like abuse - he’s not remorseful that he’s crossed the line with her and she sounds distraught. He needs teaching a lesson if that’s the case.

Shatteredallthetimelately · 18/04/2026 15:54

I actually find it quite disturbing that your DH sees it that his son has done nothing wrong. and wont budge on his thoughts.

Glowingup · 18/04/2026 15:54

helpme402 · 18/04/2026 15:48

OP have i understood this correctly or is there a typo somewhere. DS is 21 and GF is 24 and have been together for 2 years. So DS was 19 and she was 22?

I know it's not a big age difference but at that stage in life it does make a big difference. 19 is still quite young and impressionable.

I would try and investigate a bit more if i were you. Unfortunately this kind of kingly is quite common now. Personally find it disgusting but yes it is very possible.

Not sure how the age gap has any relevance. She’s lacking in self esteem, he has a long history of nasty behaviour towards girls and women and he was the one beating and burning her with cigarettes.

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:54

helpme402 · 18/04/2026 15:48

OP have i understood this correctly or is there a typo somewhere. DS is 21 and GF is 24 and have been together for 2 years. So DS was 19 and she was 22?

I know it's not a big age difference but at that stage in life it does make a big difference. 19 is still quite young and impressionable.

I would try and investigate a bit more if i were you. Unfortunately this kind of kingly is quite common now. Personally find it disgusting but yes it is very possible.

22 and 19 when they first met. They began dating a week or two after meeting, IIRC. This matters, because?

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365RubyRed · 18/04/2026 15:54

Well done for believing her.
Your son sounds abhorrent.

Thephantom · 18/04/2026 15:55

WeCantBoardYouFromACoffeeShop · 18/04/2026 15:47

Jesus fucking Christ I sincerely hope you don't have daughters. And if you have sons.. well, enough said! What a wonderful mother in law you'd be Hmm

Aww, not happy that my opinion doesnt align with yours- and this is the best you can do?!

Laura95167 · 18/04/2026 15:56

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:52

I have answered a similar response. There were text messages. DH and I have seen some of them.
He wrote to her about things he would do - "using her as an ashtray", to be specific - if she did not listen to him. There was no consent in any of these messages. Simply him telling her what he would do, what she would be expected to "take", or else. Is "Yes sir" indicative of her enjoying this?
I'll be frank - I don't care about this kink bullshit. Or about consent or not. Putting out cigarettes on a woman's arms and thighs, urinating on her, beating her breasts, leaving bruises and marks are abusive acts. It does not matter if one or both involved individuals are aroused by this depravity.

Edited

Tbh this likely meets a rape threshold.

Disgusting behaviour, and worrying that DS is like its ok it aroused us.

I think DS needs to address his behaviour or the police will

Glowingup · 18/04/2026 15:57

The idea that this idiot is part of the “kink community” or some BDSM subculture is laughable. Of course he isn’t. He’s just an abuser and she obviously didn’t like being burned with cigarettes, whatever he thought, or she wouldn’t be upset about it now. And so interesting that these people get pleasure from burning and beating someone else but never have them do the same back to them. Plus anyone who gets any pleasure from beating or burning another person, whether sexual or otherwise, is fucked up, whatever they tell themselves.

TheCobbleCreekMonster · 18/04/2026 15:58

jellyfish798 · 18/04/2026 15:46

Your mum was a lioness 💕 xx

To be fair she had seen some his behaviours that I was already being turned off by. He used to tease the dog, he was quite arrogant but there was also a subtle backstory at play.

His DF was a white collar (office) worker at a factory where my DF was a blue collar worker (foreman in charge of workforce).

His parents used to drop this disparity into conversations they had with me and although I was bright enough to spot every barb, I didn't have the ability or the urge to snark back but it was a continuing theme.

DF was totally unaware but I had told Mum every time I was on the receiving end of their snotty attitude so she was primed a bit (seething with rage), it has to be said.

The dog just joined in because she had learned to hate him. : )

Weeklyreport · 18/04/2026 15:58

Contrarymary30 · 18/04/2026 15:53

I'm not sure but it seems you've never liked your son since childhood and have always liked his gf . I'd ask the girl if she wants to go to the police , if it's really happened as she says then she will .

Why do you think your son is like he is ? I find it sad when someone says they've had a 'difficult' relationship with their child . It must affect the way that child ends up .

This is a horrible attitude. There are loads of reasons a woman who has been the victim of domestic and sexual violence may not want to go to the police. A victim's reluctance to report does not mean it never happened.

ThatFairy · 18/04/2026 15:59

LaughingCat · 18/04/2026 15:53

No, they can be - depends on how the brain is wired. I feel heat as pleasure not pain so for me, branding/burns are lovely (but illegal, so I don’t let anyone do them to me, for their sake!). Cigarette burns are also somewhere in the middle of the pool for kink; not the shallows but nowhere near the deep end. It’s different strokes for different folks, I guess.

It’s the rest of this that sounds off, from a kink perspective. The reaction of both parties sounds more like abuse - he’s not remorseful that he’s crossed the line with her and she sounds distraught. He needs teaching a lesson if that’s the case.

That's a very interesting condition. Do you still feel other forms of pain ?

Glowingup · 18/04/2026 16:01

Contrarymary30 · 18/04/2026 15:53

I'm not sure but it seems you've never liked your son since childhood and have always liked his gf . I'd ask the girl if she wants to go to the police , if it's really happened as she says then she will .

Why do you think your son is like he is ? I find it sad when someone says they've had a 'difficult' relationship with their child . It must affect the way that child ends up .

Or the difficult relationship could be due to how the son is. He’s not a nice person and often horrible people have nice parents or one nice parent at least.

ThatFairy · 18/04/2026 16:01

Weeklyreport · 18/04/2026 15:58

This is a horrible attitude. There are loads of reasons a woman who has been the victim of domestic and sexual violence may not want to go to the police. A victim's reluctance to report does not mean it never happened.

I also think the poster is being unnecessarily harsh on OP. People can do the best with their kids and they still turn out to have serious issues

Kimura · 18/04/2026 16:04

AnonymousBleep · 18/04/2026 14:53

Having cigarettes stubbed on you is not a kink. I think you’re right to believe your son’s girlfriend over your son - especially given his past behaviour. That’s a tough position to be in, though. What are you going to do?

Having cigarettes stubbed on you is not a kink

It can be. It's obviously very niche and at the more extreme end of the spectrum of sadomasochism, but people have done much worse to get their kicks.

I highly doubt that that's what this is though. Things of that nature require a tremendous amount of trust and respect...it'd be extremely odd for her to weaponize it because they'd fallen out or similar.

She might be lying, she might not. But the risk of not believing her is that if she's telling the truth, your son is abusive, a liar and a danger to her and others. If she won't go to the police, there's nothing stopping you from speaking to them, even if they only make a record of it.

TheCobbleCreekMonster · 18/04/2026 16:05

Is there another factor that A has mentioned? @QuaintAquaTraybake

If she has come to you showing her the injuries with that as the primary factor, then I would 100% believe her. If there is a separate factor such as him damaging her car, stealing money from her, something like that and she is pissed off about this extra factor and adding in the injuries to ram the point of that factor home, then I would be less inclined to believe her as she is 'throwing everything' at it.

It sounds like the former.

It sounds like your DH is an enabler. I wonder what DS would have to do to turn your DH off him ?

CharleneElizabethBaltimore · 18/04/2026 16:06

this is why is always best to have written contracts for any aggrement of kinky activites. including times, dates and activities involved etc. then it covers all participations

that said holy trinity,

ChaToilLeam · 18/04/2026 16:11

He sounds like a very sick and dangerous young man. Your DH has his head in the sand.

shuggles · 18/04/2026 16:12

@QuaintAquaTraybake For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So she agreed to this at the time, but later she decided to show up at the parents house in tears to tell them about their sex life?

Your son is a liar and full of shit.

HauntedHouseWife · 18/04/2026 16:12

I don't know what to say about your husband because it sounds off that he would be brushing this under the carpet. Real abuse has happened here. I don't think that A can consent to such brutal acts over text messages.

AutumnAllTheWay · 18/04/2026 16:14

My stomach churns at the thought if one of my daughters getting treated like this.

You are right op, its depraved.

Putting cigarettes out on someone. Disgusting.

You are right op, 100% right. Your husband is wrong.

Im sorry you are facing this. I hope she stays away from him.

What your son is watching online is no doubt feeding his desires.

What a world we live in.

Bleble · 18/04/2026 16:14

He wrote to her about things he would do - "using her as an ashtray", to be specific - if she did not listen to him. There was no consent in any of these messages. Simply him telling her what he would do, what she would be expected to "take", or else. Is "Yes sir" indicative of her enjoying this?

well “yes sir” is a common reply in these sort of kink conversations.

That said two things can be true, it’s possible she has some issues and went along with it but felt deeply uncomfortable the whole time and one day she woke up to the fact she felt degraded by it all. Maybe it was his kink that she was going along with.

Either way I still disagree with it. Maybe unpopular to say in today’s “kink positive’ society, but I don’t believe you can consent for someone to harm you to that extent.

A very soft playful “spank” on the bottom isn’t the same as consenting to things that cause you burns and injuries.

That’s why I never get the defence in murder cases when the men claim they are not responsible as it was a kink the victim consented to gone wrong. Even if that’s the case to me it’s still murder.

It must be heartbreaking to find this out about your son and you clearly have made an impact on this woman’s life if she trusted you with this information.

what is her relationship with her own family ?

TheIceBear · 18/04/2026 16:16

This is awful . It’s a very difficult situation. I do think that a mothers intuition is probably correct here , I mean your first instinct would be to be protective of your son but the fact that you are leaning towards believing her means that you know deep down that he is capable of something like this . Either way she sounds very vulnerable and in need of support

Anyahyacinth · 18/04/2026 16:16

Thephantom · 18/04/2026 15:41

This is not going to be a popular view, and i will probably get slated for this. But, they are adults and Im sure she didnt ask for your permission before getting into a relationship with your DS. You cant be held responsible for another adults actions. Tell her to report to the police and leave it at that. I wouldnt get involved in the mess that they have created, and neither should your dh. Minimum contact with your ds as he has a mean streak and leave it at that. As adults weve got enough of our own shit to deal with without having to deal with another adults shite. You are not responsible for your sons actions. I wouldnt take sides. She is an adult.

Edited

A huge enquiry published this week criticised parents for taking this view

catspyjamas1 · 18/04/2026 16:16

Notatallanamechange · 18/04/2026 14:52

You need to take this young woman to the police. You’ve been brilliant, and it must be so hard on you having to face this information about your own child. But he will escalate this if he gets away with it.

Agree.

If the partner doesn't report, if OP did, would that come up in future Claires Law searches? Just thinking how a future partner would know the potential risk and obviously she can't be forced to go to the police.

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 16:17

We had talks with these girls' parents about his behavior.

past girlfriends parents? What do you talk about and what was their response?