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to believe a "stranger" over my son about abuse

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QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 14:44

DS (he is 21) has always been difficult, as has my relationship with him. He was a challenging child and then a challenging teenager. The behavior he displayed in his early to mid teens ranged from mild acting out (silly fights, occasionally skipping classes to smoke with older boys) to stealing, lying and manipulating his family and others. DH and I did what we felt was best for him as parents. The whole lot, therapy, counseling, "consistency consistency consistency". We felt things were improving at one point in his late teens,as he approached the prospect of going to university and doing his own thing, but now I feel we may simply have been blind to it, or he became better at hiding this mean streak, who knows.

He was in a relationship with a young woman, who I'll refer to as A (24) for convenience, for nearly two years. I have grown very fond of A. She reminds me a great deal of myself at her age. Big dreams but like everyone does she has her struggles. Notably, low self worth. I was very much the same. The only difference between her and I is I had a loving family when I was struggling. A has only had my son, and by extension, us.
Two weeks ago A turned up at our house in tears. DH and I took her in and tried to comfort her as best we could, but she begged us not to let DS know. She also wouldn't say what was going on, at least until my husband had gone to bed. Once it was just the two of us she told me everything.

What she has told me, and what I saw for myself, the cigarette burns on her arms and thighs, bruises, marks, it is awful. He would lock her in their dresser for hours, humiliate her in various ways over trivial disagreements... I cried hearing it and seeing it. I have told DS I want nothing to do with him unless he tells us the truth. DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So now DS and I are not speaking, and DH and I are completely at odds. DH refuses to entertain the thought our son could/would/has done something so vile. And he has told me outright he is ashamed of me for taking "some stranger's" claims over those of our own flesh and blood. I tell him why I believe her, he says there is no hard evidence. I say well my own eyes are hard evidence, the bruises and marks I saw on that girl are NOT the result of an ordinary couple engaging in consensual sex, those are not signs of mutual sexual pleasure. And that if he truly believes otherwise he should join DS in seeking out some professional help.

We barely speak two words to each other now. Him sleeping on the couch, me hiding in the bedroom. My question is, am I really so wrong? Am I projecting my own trauma onto someone else and refusing to see the truth. I suppose, I wonder, if you were me, what would you do?

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Glowingup · 18/04/2026 15:18

Yeah I’d believe her. Your son sounds like he’s deeply lacking in empathy and is a danger to other women. I don’t know what to suggest as he’s an adult but I don’t think I’d want him in my life unless he got help for his behaviour (and probably not even then). And I’d warn any woman who got involved with him.

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 15:19

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:09

I have no clue. I am disgusted with my son and my husband, have tried to keep myself distracted by working. It feels like there's no way forward or out of this. Or should I say no way to speak sense into my husband? Once I can get through to him, I feel as though DS won't feel unconditionally shielded and some progress could be made... but I don't know how to show DH he's being terribly willfully blind

I’m not clear what you want to happen op? For your husband to cut him out of his life?

LaughingCat · 18/04/2026 15:19

As someone who is a longstanding member of the kink community, this sounds concerning. Certainly doesn’t sound healthy. However, there have been cases where a sub has called ‘abuse’ to put a Dom into a difficult position. If this truly was a safe, sane, consensual D/s relationship (which is hardly possible at that age but not unheard of), your son should be able to produce written evidence. Texts where he and she have role-played, and where they have discussed scenes and limits etc. In this day and age, there will be a digital paper trail.

If he can’t produce this evidence of someone avidly and eagerly consenting to kink play with him, then it’s abuse. I can’t abide that and would be disgusted with him for co-opting our dynamics to assuage his own predatory inclinations.

If that is the case, you can shop him to the police yourself without A needing to be involved. The 2008 domestic abuse legislation saw to that. She is seen as not having the capacity to consent to the abuse (and anything that leaves a permanent mark is illegal anyway - the cigarette burns should qualify).

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:19

TFImBackIn · 18/04/2026 14:47

I would believe her, too. If it was a kink why would she come running to you and cry about it? Statistically, too, how many women want someone to stub out a cigarette on their body?

You mention a mean streak - has your son shown that before?

He has had a bit of a mean/opportunistic? streak since he was a child and it continued on well into his teens. His friendships consisted mainly of him leeching off others for favors/rides/stuff/attention, and he would have strings of "girlfriends" in high school, one after the other. Again, these relationships were mostly "use and discard". We had talks with these girls' parents about his behavior. The way he would be very sweet one moment then ignore the girls, as if they meant nothing to him. Talks with educators and counsellors. He saw a couple of professionals and was diagnosed with ADHD.
As noted in my original post he picked up a number of hobbies as he grew older, around 17-18, I think, met a solid circle of friends through these activities, and when he started seeing A a while later, DH and I felt the strange mean streak had grown out of him. I never noticed anything "off". But, I suppose we don't see what we don't want to see. Unless we are made to.

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QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:20

Itsmetheflamingo · 18/04/2026 15:10

I don’t think he lives with his parents?

this is just horrible OP. It must be so hard knowing your son leads a life like this

They shared an apartment prior to all this. As well as a pet dog who is still living with DS in said apartment.

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Glowingup · 18/04/2026 15:20

Also she’s not a stranger just because she’s not blood related. It’s dangerous to turn a blind eye based on someone being “flesh and blood”. She’s an abuse victim and your and your DH’s son is an abuser and she won’t be his first or last victim.

BillieWiper · 18/04/2026 15:21

He sounds foul. And she's not a stranger you sound like you've got a close relationship with her. There's no doubt in your mind that it's abusive. There physical evidence. And why would someone like having cigarettes burnt into their skin but then go to the perpetrators mother in distress about it.

He on the other hand has admitted he did those things, and that he liked it. Get that confession recorded or by text if possible. He deserves criminal prosecution.

He's vile and I hope you can make him see he needs to change his ways and seek therapy or you won't be supportive.

JustSawJohnny · 18/04/2026 15:22

DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

This is an absolutely classic abuser reaction.

He did it and now he wants to avoid blame.

I think speaking to them both together will tell you everything you need to know.

He's a wrong 'un, OP.

I'm so sorry.

They BOTH need help.

JLou08 · 18/04/2026 15:26

That's horrific. Poor woman and poor you. I can't imagine having to come to terms with my DS being that kind of person. I don't buy it being kink. Putting cigarettes out on someone is quite a stretch. I'm no prude but that is just too far. I couldn't do that to someone even if they asked. What motivation would A have for making this up? I think you're right to believe her, only an idiot wouldn't based on the info provided.

SUPerSaver721 · 18/04/2026 15:27

I would be worried for the dog living with him. Alot of abusers hurt animals.

Bunnybackinherwarren · 18/04/2026 15:27

When my dil revealed some dubious behaviour of ds I pondered it for like 2 mins then believed her.

When they inevitably split up he had ensured likely with a ton of bs we didn't keep in touch..
He turned up one Christmas and assaulted his sibling then swanned off.. That was 2019 and I haven't heard from him since. And don't want to either. Your dh is deluded imo.

Nearly50omg · 18/04/2026 15:28

You realise he will be torturing the dog too don’t you op! 🙄

ScarlettSarah · 18/04/2026 15:28

It doesn't seem likely to me that a woman who had been abused would turn to her abuser's parents for help. That's a very odd sort of reaction that would make me question this.

I don't know the truth of it, OP - no one does. You believe her. It's her choice whether she wants to consult a GP or the police - again, her reluctance to do so would raise a question mark with me, although I know a lot of victims don't feel they can. But why has she come to tell you if she then refuses to take it any further? What does she want from you?

StrictlyCoffee · 18/04/2026 15:28

Notatallanamechange · 18/04/2026 14:52

You need to take this young woman to the police. You’ve been brilliant, and it must be so hard on you having to face this information about your own child. But he will escalate this if he gets away with it.

This

Doggymummar · 18/04/2026 15:29

If it was consented to I would expect that to be in writing, precisely to avoid this situation

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:31

LaughingCat · 18/04/2026 15:19

As someone who is a longstanding member of the kink community, this sounds concerning. Certainly doesn’t sound healthy. However, there have been cases where a sub has called ‘abuse’ to put a Dom into a difficult position. If this truly was a safe, sane, consensual D/s relationship (which is hardly possible at that age but not unheard of), your son should be able to produce written evidence. Texts where he and she have role-played, and where they have discussed scenes and limits etc. In this day and age, there will be a digital paper trail.

If he can’t produce this evidence of someone avidly and eagerly consenting to kink play with him, then it’s abuse. I can’t abide that and would be disgusted with him for co-opting our dynamics to assuage his own predatory inclinations.

If that is the case, you can shop him to the police yourself without A needing to be involved. The 2008 domestic abuse legislation saw to that. She is seen as not having the capacity to consent to the abuse (and anything that leaves a permanent mark is illegal anyway - the cigarette burns should qualify).

He did show H and I text messages sent between the two of them, "dirty talk" as he referred to it - as if it is evidence of anything at all. It was vile to read. DS describing to her in graphic detail how and what he would do to her if she did X or Y, her reactions or lack thereof.
I am certain there is a sexual component to some of this behavior, no doubt about it, but I think anyone reading or seeing any one of these texts would agree that it is still very much abuse. What man calls his partner a "mutt, a stupid whore, bitch". And that is just off the top of my head.

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LiveLuvLaugh · 18/04/2026 15:31

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 14:47

What an utter mess.

Your son sounds as though he has had very serious mental health difficulties for many many years.

How was the it left with A? You don’t finish what happened?

What makes you think OP’s son is mentally ill? Do you think people can have flaws in their character? Do you think all bad or cruel decisions are due to illness? Do you think illness is responsible for his behaviour?

Itiswhysofew · 18/04/2026 15:32

Tell the police what you've posted here.
Maybe run this passed his ex first. It's a difficult position for you to be put in, but based on his lifelong behaviour, something needs to happen to check what he's been up to.

LiveLuvLaugh · 18/04/2026 15:33

OP this is an incredibly difficult place for you. I believe the young woman too. I think your instinct is right.

Glowingup · 18/04/2026 15:33

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:31

He did show H and I text messages sent between the two of them, "dirty talk" as he referred to it - as if it is evidence of anything at all. It was vile to read. DS describing to her in graphic detail how and what he would do to her if she did X or Y, her reactions or lack thereof.
I am certain there is a sexual component to some of this behavior, no doubt about it, but I think anyone reading or seeing any one of these texts would agree that it is still very much abuse. What man calls his partner a "mutt, a stupid whore, bitch". And that is just off the top of my head.

Wow he sounds disgusting. I would definitely not want someone like this in my life, son or not.

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 15:33

Op can you just clarify what you want to happen…. Is it that you want your dh to cut DS like you have done? Anything else?

IDontFuckingThinkSo · 18/04/2026 15:34

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 14:49

For how long has A and your son been going out?

edited because rest of thread hadn’t loaded and I didn’t see others had already answered this.

ElenOfTheWays · 18/04/2026 15:39

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:09

I have no clue. I am disgusted with my son and my husband, have tried to keep myself distracted by working. It feels like there's no way forward or out of this. Or should I say no way to speak sense into my husband? Once I can get through to him, I feel as though DS won't feel unconditionally shielded and some progress could be made... but I don't know how to show DH he's being terribly willfully blind

I think you have to face the possibility that your DH is not blind to this at all. He just doesn't think it matters.
He wants to sheild your son and expects you to do the same. Because it's just "some stranger"
Just some woman who means nothing to him in other words. Many men have this attitude. It's how men like your son get away with their behaviour. Men protect other men. I see it all the time.
Take another look at your husband. Have a think about how he's handled your son's behaviour in the past and how he talks about women in general. Could you have expected this really?
In any case I'm glad for the girlfriend's sake that you are on her side. Keep trying to persuade her to file charges. Your son will only escalate. Abusers don't "get better" I'm afraid.

AlexaStopAlexaNo · 18/04/2026 15:39

I’d believe her too.

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:40

Betterbyfar · 18/04/2026 15:33

Op can you just clarify what you want to happen…. Is it that you want your dh to cut DS like you have done? Anything else?

I want my son to seek professional help, which I believe will only happen if my H lets go of the notion he can do/has done no wrong. It makes S believe it, too, or perhaps makes him feel "protected" whatever he gets up to - that's how things were when he was younger, as well. It took time, then, to get H in my corner. It's no different this time. This time though a young woman has gotten seriously, physically hurt, which I hoped would stir H out of this... state of delusion. I can't think of another word to call it. He is delusional. I need him not to be.
Most of all, I'd like to support A no matter what she decides to do. I love her as family. And will continue to do so.

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