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to believe a "stranger" over my son about abuse

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QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 14:44

DS (he is 21) has always been difficult, as has my relationship with him. He was a challenging child and then a challenging teenager. The behavior he displayed in his early to mid teens ranged from mild acting out (silly fights, occasionally skipping classes to smoke with older boys) to stealing, lying and manipulating his family and others. DH and I did what we felt was best for him as parents. The whole lot, therapy, counseling, "consistency consistency consistency". We felt things were improving at one point in his late teens,as he approached the prospect of going to university and doing his own thing, but now I feel we may simply have been blind to it, or he became better at hiding this mean streak, who knows.

He was in a relationship with a young woman, who I'll refer to as A (24) for convenience, for nearly two years. I have grown very fond of A. She reminds me a great deal of myself at her age. Big dreams but like everyone does she has her struggles. Notably, low self worth. I was very much the same. The only difference between her and I is I had a loving family when I was struggling. A has only had my son, and by extension, us.
Two weeks ago A turned up at our house in tears. DH and I took her in and tried to comfort her as best we could, but she begged us not to let DS know. She also wouldn't say what was going on, at least until my husband had gone to bed. Once it was just the two of us she told me everything.

What she has told me, and what I saw for myself, the cigarette burns on her arms and thighs, bruises, marks, it is awful. He would lock her in their dresser for hours, humiliate her in various ways over trivial disagreements... I cried hearing it and seeing it. I have told DS I want nothing to do with him unless he tells us the truth. DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So now DS and I are not speaking, and DH and I are completely at odds. DH refuses to entertain the thought our son could/would/has done something so vile. And he has told me outright he is ashamed of me for taking "some stranger's" claims over those of our own flesh and blood. I tell him why I believe her, he says there is no hard evidence. I say well my own eyes are hard evidence, the bruises and marks I saw on that girl are NOT the result of an ordinary couple engaging in consensual sex, those are not signs of mutual sexual pleasure. And that if he truly believes otherwise he should join DS in seeking out some professional help.

We barely speak two words to each other now. Him sleeping on the couch, me hiding in the bedroom. My question is, am I really so wrong? Am I projecting my own trauma onto someone else and refusing to see the truth. I suppose, I wonder, if you were me, what would you do?

OP posts:
Nantescalling · 18/04/2026 16:18

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 15:31

He did show H and I text messages sent between the two of them, "dirty talk" as he referred to it - as if it is evidence of anything at all. It was vile to read. DS describing to her in graphic detail how and what he would do to her if she did X or Y, her reactions or lack thereof.
I am certain there is a sexual component to some of this behavior, no doubt about it, but I think anyone reading or seeing any one of these texts would agree that it is still very much abuse. What man calls his partner a "mutt, a stupid whore, bitch". And that is just off the top of my head.

Worth asking LaughingCat who posted just above if these texts sound like 'kink' stuff. As far as my amateur knowledge of this, the agreements made aren't necessarily worded in a nasty way.

LaurieFairyCake · 18/04/2026 16:21

Dump the son, dump the husband Flowers

Okiedokie123 · 18/04/2026 16:21

This is awful. I’m glad you believe A. I would too.
I get that she isn’t ready to report at the moment but she might want to later on. For that reason I think she needs to make sure she’s got photos of the bruises and scars on her body.

SmashThePatriarchy · 18/04/2026 16:22

You don’t show up to your in laws in tears over sex games gone wrong. Of course you should believe her. Even if it is sex related (it probably isn’t) it tells you a lot about his mindset that he thinks putting out cigarettes on a woman is a turn on. He needs serious help and your DH needs to get real.

Do you know she is actually safe? Especially now your son knows she told you. I would be really worried about her safety.

AgentJohnson · 18/04/2026 16:23

I suspect your H has chosen denial because it’s easier than acknowledging that he has raised an abusive child. Support A by urging her to get professional help.

Despite Police involvement and ex being sent to prison, my ex’s mother chose denial because she couldn’t mentally cope with the reality. She wasn’t and isn’t a bad woman, she just could not acknowledge the pain he had caused me and her granddaughter. Over the years she would occasionally make out that he and her wider family were victims and tried to elicit sympathy from me. Her son’s abuse of me exposed his own abuse by a close family member. I think deep down she thinks that her family wouldn’t have been publicly embarrassed if I had kept my mouth shut.

Denial is a very attractive coping mechanism for truths you can’t or won’t process.

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 16:24

TheCobbleCreekMonster · 18/04/2026 16:05

Is there another factor that A has mentioned? @QuaintAquaTraybake

If she has come to you showing her the injuries with that as the primary factor, then I would 100% believe her. If there is a separate factor such as him damaging her car, stealing money from her, something like that and she is pissed off about this extra factor and adding in the injuries to ram the point of that factor home, then I would be less inclined to believe her as she is 'throwing everything' at it.

It sounds like the former.

It sounds like your DH is an enabler. I wonder what DS would have to do to turn your DH off him ?

There was no mention of another factor like the ones you mention... She came to us that night because he had gone too far and had tried to push her into engaging in a certain sexual act. She had said "no", he had thrown a bit of a temper tantrum and ran out on her.

OP posts:
QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 16:26

Bleble · 18/04/2026 16:14

He wrote to her about things he would do - "using her as an ashtray", to be specific - if she did not listen to him. There was no consent in any of these messages. Simply him telling her what he would do, what she would be expected to "take", or else. Is "Yes sir" indicative of her enjoying this?

well “yes sir” is a common reply in these sort of kink conversations.

That said two things can be true, it’s possible she has some issues and went along with it but felt deeply uncomfortable the whole time and one day she woke up to the fact she felt degraded by it all. Maybe it was his kink that she was going along with.

Either way I still disagree with it. Maybe unpopular to say in today’s “kink positive’ society, but I don’t believe you can consent for someone to harm you to that extent.

A very soft playful “spank” on the bottom isn’t the same as consenting to things that cause you burns and injuries.

That’s why I never get the defence in murder cases when the men claim they are not responsible as it was a kink the victim consented to gone wrong. Even if that’s the case to me it’s still murder.

It must be heartbreaking to find this out about your son and you clearly have made an impact on this woman’s life if she trusted you with this information.

what is her relationship with her own family ?

Edited

She has been no contact with her own parents for many years now. Substance issues there, and no siblings, regrettably, so besides DH and I, as well as a very small group of friends, she does not have people to turn to.

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thebrollachan · 18/04/2026 16:28

The texts plus cigarette burns alone are evidence of crimes, irrespective of 'consent'. Even if she feels going to the police would be too much to cope with, she should save her copy of the texts, and photograph the injuries, as leverage, in case he goes after her.

I too am worried about the dog.

Caniweartheseones · 18/04/2026 16:29

I would report my son to the police. He sounds sociopathic or even psychopathic. There is plenty of proof of harm to another. Even if she doesn’t report it now, you could save another person.

He gets a hit from hurting others and breaking rules. That’s not just ADHD. He needs to be under the watchful eye of the authorities and to have a record. This will not
end well. Your DH is in denial. He may just take time to get his head straight, but loyalty and stupidity don’t go well together and you need a break from his stupidity/ lack of loyalty to you. He doesn’t need to know if you report your son.

Terrible situation to be in for you. Keep safe too. He could retaliate.

Could you eventually get in touch with the psychologist who assessed his ADHD to discuss?

Toomanyweekstogo · 18/04/2026 16:29

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 16:24

There was no mention of another factor like the ones you mention... She came to us that night because he had gone too far and had tried to push her into engaging in a certain sexual act. She had said "no", he had thrown a bit of a temper tantrum and ran out on her.

You need to go the police. I know the young girl may not appreciate it now, but she will in the long run. And if not for her, do it for the next girl, it might be someone on here’s daughter that he abuses, destroys, or worse. I know it’s hard, he’s your son, but it doesn’t sound like there’s even one doubt in your mind that it’s not all true. If your DH can’t accept that then he’s just enabling the abuse. He’s your son, you’ll both love him unconditionally, but he also shouldn’t support his actions.

Shatteredallthetimelately · 18/04/2026 16:30

besides DH and I, as well as a very small group of friends, she does not have people to turn to.

I really don't think you should include you DH in being one of the few she can turn to.

LaughingCat · 18/04/2026 16:31

ThatFairy · 18/04/2026 15:59

That's a very interesting condition. Do you still feel other forms of pain ?

Very much so - childbirth nearly killed me, period pains suck, stubbing my toe is excruciating, I can feel the cold as a physical pain, just not heat. No idea why but I’m the person sat in a sauna at max heat for two hours. So for me, burns just aren't that bad. Also why I’m not great in a kitchen as it takes me a second to work out that I’ve picked up a too-hot pan.

Edit: I’m sorry, derailing the thread here.

Driftingawaynow · 18/04/2026 16:38

Is this antisocial personality disorder do you think OP? It sounds like it, if so I would consider getting specialist support for yourself as a family member

DeadBug · 18/04/2026 16:43

Please can you get the dog out of there, too.

TheDellsYoursongNsoul · 18/04/2026 16:44

Keep your Dh from contacting the young woman he's going to manipulate her to his way of thinking.
Well done in seeing your son for what he is .
That must've been a heartbreaking realisation.

Boomer55 · 18/04/2026 16:47

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 14:44

DS (he is 21) has always been difficult, as has my relationship with him. He was a challenging child and then a challenging teenager. The behavior he displayed in his early to mid teens ranged from mild acting out (silly fights, occasionally skipping classes to smoke with older boys) to stealing, lying and manipulating his family and others. DH and I did what we felt was best for him as parents. The whole lot, therapy, counseling, "consistency consistency consistency". We felt things were improving at one point in his late teens,as he approached the prospect of going to university and doing his own thing, but now I feel we may simply have been blind to it, or he became better at hiding this mean streak, who knows.

He was in a relationship with a young woman, who I'll refer to as A (24) for convenience, for nearly two years. I have grown very fond of A. She reminds me a great deal of myself at her age. Big dreams but like everyone does she has her struggles. Notably, low self worth. I was very much the same. The only difference between her and I is I had a loving family when I was struggling. A has only had my son, and by extension, us.
Two weeks ago A turned up at our house in tears. DH and I took her in and tried to comfort her as best we could, but she begged us not to let DS know. She also wouldn't say what was going on, at least until my husband had gone to bed. Once it was just the two of us she told me everything.

What she has told me, and what I saw for myself, the cigarette burns on her arms and thighs, bruises, marks, it is awful. He would lock her in their dresser for hours, humiliate her in various ways over trivial disagreements... I cried hearing it and seeing it. I have told DS I want nothing to do with him unless he tells us the truth. DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So now DS and I are not speaking, and DH and I are completely at odds. DH refuses to entertain the thought our son could/would/has done something so vile. And he has told me outright he is ashamed of me for taking "some stranger's" claims over those of our own flesh and blood. I tell him why I believe her, he says there is no hard evidence. I say well my own eyes are hard evidence, the bruises and marks I saw on that girl are NOT the result of an ordinary couple engaging in consensual sex, those are not signs of mutual sexual pleasure. And that if he truly believes otherwise he should join DS in seeking out some professional help.

We barely speak two words to each other now. Him sleeping on the couch, me hiding in the bedroom. My question is, am I really so wrong? Am I projecting my own trauma onto someone else and refusing to see the truth. I suppose, I wonder, if you were me, what would you do?

I would believe her and support her. Not many women would make all that up.

Velvetandleather · 18/04/2026 16:52

God I can’t beleive your husband thinks it is ok and accepts his son’s explanation, I couldn’t live with a man like that. Of course he’s abused her. Shes obviously very vulnerable.

and I’m sorry you need to get the dog out of there.

Boomer55 · 18/04/2026 16:56

AcquadiP · 18/04/2026 15:48

You need to ask the girl about the dog: does he abuse the dog or treat it unkindly? Abusers usually start with animals and then escalate to human beings. Any abuse, please report to the RSPCA immediately. Physical or mental abuse is a criminal offence under The Animal Welfare Act.

I don’t think th dog is a priority here. The young woman is. 🙄

GreatWhiteWail · 18/04/2026 16:58

QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 16:24

There was no mention of another factor like the ones you mention... She came to us that night because he had gone too far and had tried to push her into engaging in a certain sexual act. She had said "no", he had thrown a bit of a temper tantrum and ran out on her.

I think it's very clear that your son struggles to consider other people, especially women, and that he does not respect women's boundaries. He thinks people exist to service him.

If I were you, the fact that your own DH doesn't seem to see any problem with this would make me want to be nowhere near him either, and wonder whether some of this attitude has been learned from your DH. Any man who thinks women actually want to be beaten up (as opposed to, at most, feel she need to claim enjoyment of it to make their boyfriend happy and maybe feel some pleasure in being able to tolerate it) is a red flag. Any man who would actually think that beating a woman up could be a turn on, has a screw loose.

Bringflowersofthefairest · 18/04/2026 16:59

I would definitely believe her. I hope she has took photos of her brutal injuries.
If your Son presented quite normal in the past then maybe I would be dubious but you know what type of person he is OP so know it’s probable she is telling the truth.
I would be furious at your husband and don’t think I would want to continue to be married to him to be honest. He’s defending a woman beater. It’s shocking.

Sicario · 18/04/2026 17:03

I am sickened by this. Your son belongs in a police cell.

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/04/2026 17:07

Bleble · 18/04/2026 16:14

He wrote to her about things he would do - "using her as an ashtray", to be specific - if she did not listen to him. There was no consent in any of these messages. Simply him telling her what he would do, what she would be expected to "take", or else. Is "Yes sir" indicative of her enjoying this?

well “yes sir” is a common reply in these sort of kink conversations.

That said two things can be true, it’s possible she has some issues and went along with it but felt deeply uncomfortable the whole time and one day she woke up to the fact she felt degraded by it all. Maybe it was his kink that she was going along with.

Either way I still disagree with it. Maybe unpopular to say in today’s “kink positive’ society, but I don’t believe you can consent for someone to harm you to that extent.

A very soft playful “spank” on the bottom isn’t the same as consenting to things that cause you burns and injuries.

That’s why I never get the defence in murder cases when the men claim they are not responsible as it was a kink the victim consented to gone wrong. Even if that’s the case to me it’s still murder.

It must be heartbreaking to find this out about your son and you clearly have made an impact on this woman’s life if she trusted you with this information.

what is her relationship with her own family ?

Edited

Couldn’t the ‘yes, sir’ also be the response he has told her to respond or else? Ie not wanting to go along with it or be abused, but too afraid to do otherwise.

Cherrypies · 18/04/2026 17:07

Boomer55 · 18/04/2026 16:56

I don’t think th dog is a priority here. The young woman is. 🙄

The girlfriend is not living there, the dog is, why are you ignoring the questions about the dog, OP?

Itsmetheflamingo · 18/04/2026 17:10

Cherrypies · 18/04/2026 17:07

The girlfriend is not living there, the dog is, why are you ignoring the questions about the dog, OP?

What do you want her to do about the dog?

Shatteredallthetimelately · 18/04/2026 17:11

He did show H and I text messages sent between the two of them, "dirty talk" as he referred to it - as if it is evidence of anything at all. It was vile to read. DS describing to her in graphic detail how and what he would do to her if she did X or Y, her reactions or lack thereof.

I think had this young girl of came to you as a woman scored you could perhaps maybe question it, but those messages your DS himself showed you, seeming thinking they were ok to send to her were absolutely awful. In fact I make no apology and go as far as saying he's sick in the head.