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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

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PollyBell · 15/04/2026 05:18

ChocolateCinderToffee · 15/04/2026 05:08

I don’t understand why nearly all the criticism is levelled at the daughters. There seems to be an assumption that only daughters are responsible for organising childcare. Where are the children’s fathers in this?

To start with any person who wants to have children should think of every aspect of what it means, how many do? and when women say 'he wants to have children too'' does he really. Has he told you about all the things he has thought of and plans he has made to help and worl out each stage or how many men just go along with it because it is what the person he is with wants?

How many really want everything that comes before having children?

And no it is not up to women to do all the thinking but why on earth dont women go through it all before conceiving instead of whinging about it all afterwards?

BlackRowan · 15/04/2026 05:18

Fuelledbylatte · 15/04/2026 05:14

I’m not a Grandmother but have 2 young adult daughters.

Reading this thread has made me feel a bit sad about the dynamics and how systems operate based on a lot of expectations, it seems.

I care so deeply about their welfare and as things stand at the moment, would want to be available and supportive for them in their lives. What I hope we’ve laid the foundations for is open communication and that there is no simmering resentment towards myself or others because they feel like they are owed or deserve particular things.

If I have grandchildren, I’d feel my main role is to look after my daughters well being, knowing how busy she’d be and what pregnancy and childcare costs emotionally and physically. Having good relationships with grandchildren I feel is to do with bonds, not babysitting and being free childcare. I will help all I can but not to my own detriment and I can’t imagine either daughter not caring if it’s inconvenient, too much or us not being able to discuss it all in detail to rule out any ill feelings on either side.

I really hope that my daughters have adequate support systems in their partnerships , friendships and communities too as that’s what makes a difference on the day to day basis.

This is such an odd take. You do realise that your grandchildren are also part of your family, part of you? Why is your role limited to supporting your daughter?
You can’t imagine a world where you just want to spend time with THEM because you love them, not because “it’s your role to look after your daughter’s wellbeing”?

Gallien · 15/04/2026 05:20

Ah the old chuck some "nuanced" mud in the water and claim "empathy" because the simplicity of the truth is a bit confronting ploy.
No. No, I don't thnk we will.
Everything already asked and answered.

The irony of you calling other people "dictators."
You don't want a discussion, you want obedience, so why waste everyone's time, as you don't have the authority to give orders here or elsewhere.

minipie · 15/04/2026 05:21

I’m afraid you are very much undermining yourself OP with your dismissive response to anyone who doesn’t immediately agree with you 100%.

Gallien · 15/04/2026 05:22

And I don't have a dog in this race, my mum has never provided childcare for me or been expected to (she would have loved it probably but her job was too busy) my granny never did for us either, it's not really a thing in my family.

I hope my sons will let me take care of my grandkids but it won't be up to me so who knows. Maybe I'll be too ill or too busy.

I still think OP comes across as a bully.

PollyBell · 15/04/2026 05:24

minipie · 15/04/2026 05:21

I’m afraid you are very much undermining yourself OP with your dismissive response to anyone who doesn’t immediately agree with you 100%.

I agree with the OP and I still really think there is something wrong with the OP's posting style, You are exremley hyper focused OP, is this normal for you?

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · 15/04/2026 05:24

WearyAuldWumman · 15/04/2026 03:49

I''ll add that I was a step-grandmother who was never allowed to have the title of granny. (I'm trying to be honest - I'm aware that no one has that entitlement and that I'm probably a bit bitter about it. Insert "I wasn't the OW" obligatory comment.). My understanding is that my husband's ex's boyfriends were all grandads. [ETA When step-grandad Number 1 died, the child's father had a bit too much to drink and complained to me that he should have left money to the child "because she called him 'Grandad'."]

Any presents - including money - that I handed over for the adult stepkids and now adult grandchild were willingly accepted. It soon became clear that my only worth was as a provider of presents and their father's carer and as someone who had helped out their mother when she was between partners.

The one time that I phoned to say that I was ill and that their father would need care if anything happened to me, the response was "You're not thinking of leaving him, are you?" Cheeky cow.

I finally blew my top after doing all the work for the funeral on my own and sitting in the funeral car on my own. (To be fair, it was lockdown, but at least the grandchild could have attended. The adult children were scared for their health, I was told. They thought that the funeral would be too upsetting for the 20 yr old grandchild.) I'm not exaggerating when I say that I had a complete breakdown. All I wanted was for one of them to come to my door the day before the funeral. The rules would have allowed us to bubble up, I later realised.

I got a strange, jocular comment where they talked about arranging my funeral for me...and then something hapened which confirmed that I was on my own. 'Twas after that that I snapped.

The last communication was via a solicitor to say that they'd not been able to cash their cheques. (I sorted it. They'd farted about for a month, presumably checking whether the will was valid, and the bank had thought that they were scamming me. ) I'd sent them the family jewellery, medals etc. I only know they got there because I sent them tracked.

The following year, I sent off cheques for a wedding and graduation present on my late husband's behalf. This time I told them that no acknowledgment was required. One cheque was cashed as soon as it was received; the second cheque was cashed the following day.

Edited

Oh my gosh, how horrible of them. I really am so sorry that you have been treated like that.

If you have anything of monetary value, please leave it to your favourite charity, with maybe a polite letter addressed to each step-child, explaining exactly why they are not inheriting anything from you. Of course, you would be doing them an undeserved service by giving them an explanation, and it would be up to them if they actually decided to follow it through with even a little self-refection.

On behalf of the village, I am sending you my fondest thanks for all that you have done for them, and I truly hope that you will be both healthy, and happy in the years to come xx

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/04/2026 05:26

@WearyAuldWumman I am so sorry you were treated this way. They really missed out on something special with you. My dd had a much loved step grandpa. He was just grandpa Biology was irrelevant. Flowers

I get much of your premise op. But I don’t get the shouting down of other posters. Debate is what makes this place interesting.

Hivernal · 15/04/2026 05:28

Disagreeing with the OP isn't the same as derailing the thread.

You sound very angry, OP.

thefloorislavayes · 15/04/2026 05:32

Humans are what anthropologists call cooperative breeders. Unlike most species, our children are dependent for an unusually long time, and historically mothers didn’t raise them in isolation. Survival often depended on support from other women, especially grandmothers. There’s evidence from multiple historical populations that the presence of a maternal grandmother increased a child’s chances of survival.

It’s been suggested that women evolved to experience menopause partly so that older women could shift their focus from having more children to supporting the next generation. This is often explained through the Grandmother hypothesis.

Humans are unusual in that women live for decades after their reproductive years. From an evolutionary perspective, that’s not random. One explanation is that older women increased the survival chances of their grandchildren by helping with childcare, food gathering, and general support. In that sense, their role didn’t end with their own children - it shifted.

So across most of human history, raising children wasn’t an isolated task. It relied on a wider network, especially other women in the family. That’s part of why humans have been able to successfully raise such dependent offspring.

So the idea that parenting is, or should be, a completely self-contained, individual responsibility is actually very modern. For most of human history, it wasn’t optional - it was how families functioned.

That doesn’t mean any individual grandmother today is obligated to provide childcare. Autonomy still matters. But it does mean that expecting some level of support, or feeling the impact when that support isn’t there, isn’t “entitlement” or a “logical failure.” It’s a reflection of how human family systems have always worked.

Trying to separate family relationships from practical support as if they’ve never been connected ignores both biology and history. These things have always been intertwined - not as a transaction, but as part of being a functioning family unit

curious79 · 15/04/2026 05:33

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 04:17

No thank you, we don't need to defend the indefensible. Everything was covered by the initial post.

Believe it or not your academic masterpiece doesn’t in fact cover every angle. However let’s suppose it does, then why bother putting it up? So you can either bask in the glory of people telling you how right you are, or trot out this tedious line that everything was covered already (to all the people who happen to disagree with you or, god forbid, see nuance and context as being important)?

yawn!! 🥱

OneNewLeader · 15/04/2026 05:34

I don’t know a single person who had their parents look after their children on a regular basis.

XelaM · 15/04/2026 05:53

Hopefully you won't expect care from your children either given how no one is owed free labour etc.

KimberleyClark · 15/04/2026 05:54

Humans are unusual in that women live for decades after their reproductive years. From an evolutionary perspective, that’s not random. One explanation is that older women increased the survival chances of their grandchildren by helping with childcare, food gathering, and general support. In that sense, their role didn’t end with their own children - it shifted.

Women living for decades after menopause is a relatively modern phenomenon though. Life expectancy used to be much lower.

ForCosyLion · 15/04/2026 05:56

WearyAuldWumman · 15/04/2026 04:08

Thank you.

I'm sorry, too.

Sadly, it doesn't surprise me. I've seen enough that if I ever have a serious relationship again (unlikely - bad divorce) I won't be putting in any hard yards with his family or expecting anything. Socialising and having a nice time, of course, but I won't be acting like a family member. The truth is that many adult children see their parents' new spouses as hangers-on, no matter how nice they are, and once the common relative is gone - the spouse - there's nothing to hold them together anymore. It's sad that it's often that way, but it's reality. This is also reason 1,001 why I wouldn't marry or cohabit with a man again. That way, I can get back to my sanctuary and leave him to his circus and his monkeys!

SwatTheTwit · 15/04/2026 05:57

I have relied on my mother for childcare when DD was little but I agree, to be honest. She said yes when she wanted to, no when she didn’t. It neve crossed my mind that she should want to look after DD.

Saying that, I do think that grandparents who look after their grandchildren develop a stronger bond. My grandmother look after my brother while I was placed in a childminder and they were incredibly close. He was by far the favourite grandchild out of 16 grandkids.

Credittocress · 15/04/2026 06:00

Grandparents are not “entitled” to access to grandchildren

NewGirlInTown · 15/04/2026 06:03

Brilliant, OP. So good to see this horrific entitlement being called out. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

mindfulmoaning · 15/04/2026 06:05

Absolutely agree.
The amount of moaning I hear about MIL and mothers who fault to provide the amount of childcare their offspring require for their own children is astounding.
And quite often when they are too old or ill to help or the children no longer need it they are discharged and seen as a burden.

mindfulmoaning · 15/04/2026 06:07

XelaM · 15/04/2026 05:53

Hopefully you won't expect care from your children either given how no one is owed free labour etc.

I so t see much reciprocal care though, once the grandparent is no longer useful they tend to be put to one side and the children and grandchildren are too busy to do much caring

Helpboat · 15/04/2026 06:08

Yeah no op. You can sound militant and extreme as you wish but ultimately relationships are built on reciprocation and are transactional. When you have a child, it is often a very difficult and vulnerable time. Grandparents are a vital resource during that time and it isn’t wrong to expect assistance from them in your time in need. Equally, if they choose to not be a part of your network or village in your time in need then they shouldn’t expect you to be theirs.

KimberleyClark · 15/04/2026 06:09

XelaM · 15/04/2026 05:53

Hopefully you won't expect care from your children either given how no one is owed free labour etc.

So simply having brought up your own children isn’t enough for those children to provide support in your old age then?

Helpboat · 15/04/2026 06:10

mindfulmoaning · 15/04/2026 06:07

I so t see much reciprocal care though, once the grandparent is no longer useful they tend to be put to one side and the children and grandchildren are too busy to do much caring

I think you need exposure to real life and other cultures. Plenty of care in both directions when it comes to multi generational relationships.

Credittocress · 15/04/2026 06:12

KimberleyClark · 15/04/2026 06:09

So simply having brought up your own children isn’t enough for those children to provide support in your old age then?

No, raising a child you have chosen to have does not then entitle you to care. That is the bear minimum you do as a parent.😳

AlwaysTheRenegade · 15/04/2026 06:13

BlackRowan · 15/04/2026 05:14

Why? You can accept that a woman doesn’t owe sex but can’t accept that she doesn’t owe her mother visits? 😂

No, I literally didn't give an opinion in my post..
Are you quoting the right person?