To suspect police are worried about vigilantes - Epsom attack

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I live relatively close to Epsom and so this appalling assault is all over my news feeds and social media.

BBC News - Town left in shock by appalling rape outside church
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dl5yevjg9o

The police have asked for witnesses but no descriptions have been given. Cue lots of very disturbing posts and comments from people who very clearly think these men are not white.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios where this is not being disclosed but, based on the comments, I think it all comes down to fears that local communities will take it on themselves to "apprehend" anyone who even vaguely looks like the perpetrators? And while the comments I am seeing are mostly white people being disgusting in their assumptions about brown and black people, i can imagine police would he equally concerned if, for example, the woman was Asian or Black and her attackers were white.

Is this where we are at? Where people make horrible racist assumptions and/or where police have to worry about how they will protect the broader community if they give any details of criminals?

Islamophobic hate crimes are already included: religion as a motivation for crime is in the legislation along with all the other categories.

Are you planning a visit to shout at it if there is one?

True the source is even in the link, if the pp needs it.

Any description will inevitably be "men of [extremely broad age range] of white/black/asian [delete as appropriate] ethnicity". I would be amazed if there is any more detail released than that. So even if the police do have a broad descrption like this, how helpful is that to their investigation?

The police trying to be sly is seen - often correctly - as the criminals being protected at the cost of justice, and that causes vigilantes - if the police refuse to offer justice the public will just do it themselves.

I'd like to see all rapists publicly castrated. Don't mind by who, police or public, either is fine.

The statistics are too broad brush so that results are skewed. You need to look at the age & sex of the offenders compared to the whole the population. Foreign residents of London are predominantly young males. Young males are fifty times more likely to commit sexual offences than females.

To get the correct comparison you need to look at the offending rate of young males who are British versus offending rate of young males who are foreign.

Poor woman is probably so traumatised that she barely knows what day it is. It's not inconceivable that police have so far been unable to obtain a full account, including descriptions. If she'd been drinking alcohol, details may also be vague (no implication of victim blame here, just stating a possibility based on knowing she was on her way home from a night out).

For those saying that white men don't roam the streets committing gang rape, there was a thread here recently in which several underage (at the time) white boys gang raped a 12yo girl and were found not guilty - despite there having been at least 2 witnesses.

If the Government won't police and punish then the public will. Human nature takes over and people will not stand by whilst their communities are abandoned by Police and are allowed to become lawless.
In a town called Kilmarnock youngsters have been causing mayhem for the last few years, the bus station is like the wild west once the schools are out and the Police are nowhere to be seen, the town centre is empty and the nighttime economy is struggling due to these thugs. Two weeks ago they attacked a young father at the bus station, he was lucky to survive. Last week the feral little bastards ran into McDonalds mob handed to wreck the place, little children were left petrified and i am glad to say the Just eat/deliveroo drivers that were in there battered hell out of the little shits and that is exactly what they needed, it is exactly what the community needed and it is exactly what will happen more and more until this Government start looking after the Council tax paying public. After all part of that tax we pay is to pay for a Police Service and right now we are being robbed and let down.

I have a young teenager who came across the protestors and ran away terrified and I couldn’t even go and get her because the traffic was gridlocked.

All this conjecture is ridiculous and some of these statements here…. Completely ignorant. The police will be working to the victims timetable and she will be undertaking quite a few intrusive medical examinations and interviews - assuming she was even willing to undertake them. Was she sober? Did she need to go and sleep? Did she want to think about her next steps. On the flip side did Surrey even have enough detectives working over the weekend to set up a full blown enquiry immediately ( they definitely would have taken it seriously but I don’t know how well resourced their sexual offences teams are ). They will have needed to exam the crime scene and the weather has not been good so that would have been a concern.

It’s such a waste of time and resources to have to police a protest because some people feel entitled to know information. We know what this is motivated by and it’s not concern for women and girls.

The Home Office do not record the ethnicity of perpetrators of crime in the UK.
They only record the ethnicity of victims.

I think if we knew the truth there would be civil war.

Oh please stop using the word 'packs' as if brown and black men are animals.

In my cultured and touristy city we are currently dealing with gangs/groups of young white men, and some women, attacking women and children and elderly men. It has changed my walk routes and times of going out.

Jumping to demonise or dehumanise people is so much easier than addressing the vast social inequality caused by the super-rich, or addiction to harmful media controlled by the super-rich.

I’ve seen similar stats for the entire country. I’m out at the moment so I can’t dig them out but I’m always struck by how much some people wish to diminish awkward truths.

but usually of a certain culture that sees women in a different light,

Jess Phillips asserted that the common denominator in the rape gangs scandal was that the perpetrators were men in a vain attempt to cover up the real perpetrators.
Frankly the 'men' comments is just a vain attempt to cover up the real issue which will have to be faced sooner or later.

How very measured of you. How very British. People don’t believe that justice will be done as they no longer trust the police or the government. That’s what happens when you spend all your time appeasing the liberal elite and give zero fucks for the communities the liberal elite don’t, and wouldn’t live in.

They may not have that information!

Posters on here are insistent that the victim must have given a description without considering that actually:

• she may be so traumatised she can't talk about it

• she may be so traumatised she can't actually remember

• she may know them and may not want to engage with police

• she may have been injured and in no fit state to be interviewed

• she may have been intoxicated or drugged, and unable to remember

• because of any of the above, she may have given conflicting descriptions

• the perpetrators could have been wearing masks / gloves to disguise their appearance

All of the above are significantly more likely than "the police are conspiring against us to withhold information".

It's like people's brains fall out as soon as there's the opportunity to have a go at immigrants etc

Stop focusing on words as literal violence and start focusing on literal, literal violence.

I thought we were aiming for British, how silly of me.

I shall devolve into a drooling neanderthal and pick up a traffic cone to lob at the police forthwith.

Focus on my words again and see what I said :)

And a film that they took. Yes this came to my mind too.

If I had a young girl in that town I would be walking her everywhere and ideally in a group with other mums doing the same thing.

One good thing about the current enquiry into another violent crime is it exposes how the system does actually work to minimise and deprioritise women and girls.

Why are you so sure that you are correct? It’s almost as though you have an agenda here.

Why not accept that both sides could be correct. Centre yourself. Maybe the police are obfuscating in the hope that the rioters will go home. Buying some time and crossing the Ts and dotting the Is before the difficult news is released. That’s as likely judging from recent history as it is that the victim might have not been able to give a detailed description, and they are busy scouring CCTV.

Open your mind a little bit instead of jumping straight to racists and nazis.

The Evangelical carbs chappie you replied to focuses on words about words...ignore.

I am oldish and have seen too many enquiries. I now believe in addressing material inequalities and looking at their ultimate cause.

You said stop with the hurty words as that’s demonising people and I said try focusing on the hurty actions instead 😎

I'm not sure I'm correct. I have no idea what the victims circumstances are. I gave several scenarios but that is by no means an exhaustive list.

Please quote where I said anything about racists and Nazis?

Why are you so opposed to the idea that the police don't actually have the information and must be hiding it?

There is a CCTV camera on the external facia of the church - probably similar on adjacent properties. Of course they have an idea of race/age/number of perpetrators.

Crime isn’t solved entirely by victim report, otherwise we’d never solve murders would we?