Trans nursery workers?

[ThatWaryGreenBiscuit]

Am I being unreasonable to feel increasingly uncomfortable with my child’s nursery?

A couple of weeks ago they shared a post on the parents app about two people with feminine names completing some training. One of the people pictured was clearly male. I found them on instagram and they are a trans woman. Now this person did not work at my child’s actual nursery, just one of the other settings in the franchise, although they do occasionally switch the staff around, it’s not often. So I thought, I don’t like it, but ultimately moving my child because of somebody working at a different setting is unreasonable. Also it took my child a while to be comfortable and now they really enjoy it. (3y and verbal which also makes a difference too)

Then last week there’s a post about our nursery setting and a reshuffle of staff. Now working at our nursery is another trans person. A female this time who identifies as male. I confirmed them as trans through their instagram again, which honestly contains a lot of potentially worrying stuff. Very heavy on the transition side, art about top surgery, testosterone, nude art, “protecting trans youth” and protests.

Both individuals are young and I haven’t met either, however apparently my child knows the trans man (female).

I’m really not sure what to do if anything? Obviously I have no right to tell them who to hire, and I have no wish to be cruel to these young people.

But I cannot deny the feeling I have in my gut. I feel like my boundaries are being pushed and I’m worried about what their potential motives are for suddenly hiring two trans people and posting about them on the parenting portals/social media in increasing frequency.

There has been a change in management, but I have no idea who is in charge of hiring.

Will it matter as they are young? (The children) Because the trans individual at my child’s actual nursery is female would you be worried? I feel so unsure. It’s very recent so I’m weighing my options.

I will likely only openly share my thoughts on this if I decide to remove my child, as I believe that saying anything will not result in anything positive, and in fact could mean my child is “educated” because of their “horrible bigoted family”.

So im a hater because I don’t differentiate as to why men wear women’s clothes? OK then. Now what? Am I supposed to be upset? Repent my evil ways?

And you have completely misinterpreted my sentence- i said i have experienced arousal wearing certain clothes, this doesn't mean it was because of the clothes themselves.

So that is completely irrelevant to the point which was about men wearing women’s or children’s style clothes because it turns them on. 🤷‍♀️

Can you explain the difference between transvestites and ‘transwomen’ ? I notice you made an attempt in another post by talking about men ‘living as a woman’ but can you explain how a man can ‘live as a woman’? Clothes and stereotypes don’t count.

FFS not a single trans woman nursery worker is saying that to children.

HTH.

I’m just here to hear @Endoadnowarrior explain what living as a woman is. I mean, for all I know I’ve been doing it all wrong.

FFS not a single trans woman nursery worker is saying that to children.

Do you have evidence to back that?

I can list quite a few organisations like Stonewall, Mermaids, No Outsiders etc etc who were telling young children and training nursery workers with that very message, maybe in a slightly more sanitised form. I understand your horror as it is indeed shocking and a total abuse of influence over those children but denying it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Stonewall’s trans education programme explicitly targeted nurseries with children of age 2+.

Yes. Wasn’t there a scandal a few years ago where stonewall claimed 2 year olds knew they were trans? IIRC they had to dirty delete very quickly.

How about you do your own research and read lived experiences of transgender people 🤔

I am simply calling out bs assumptions that are framing individuals as sexual predators based on ignorance and fear.

I am not a trans "activist", I am simply a woman who cant abide injustice, hate and discrimination.

Ah more obtuse baiting.

No, a serious question. You said “transwomen” were males who lived as women. I want to know how one lives “as a woman”. Especially a male. How would he know he was “living as a woman” and not just as you said, a “transvestite”?

Reread the post if you are that serious, the distinction between the two was included there.

You brought up transvestites and differentiated them from ‘transwomen’ by explaining that TW ‘live as women’. I’m just asking you to explain what you mean.

I know several trans people. I can assure you that the ones born male are very much not ‘living as women’ and the ones born female very much are. They use stereotypical clothing and hormones to alter their appearance but thats as far as it goes.

I think it was you that observed (correctly imo) that ‘gender’ is a social construct. Our sex is the thing that matters at certain times in society and that will always be the case. No man can ‘live as a woman’ because the only reliable way to do that is to be born female.

I am simply calling out bs assumptions that are framing individuals as sexual predators based on ignorance and fear.
I am not a trans "activist", I am simply a woman who cant abide injustice, hate and discrimination.

Ok.
You need to understand that none of this is through ‘fear and ignorance’. In fact it is through lots of research, ‘listening to trans people’, thinking and applying facts and logic.

Women arguing for everyone to be subject to the same basic safeguarding rules and rules around education have been punished, discriminated against and hated. Women trying to protect children from utterly harmful indoctrination by caregivers and schools have been punished, discriminated against and hated.
Women trying to ensure that vulnerable women and babies in prisons are not locked up with violent male murders, rapists and paedophiles (the ones with trans identities) are punished. Who would want to perpetuate that?

Can you point to the bit where you defined what ‘living as a woman’ was and explained how it can be done by a male person please?

I wouldn't general have an issue but if they started pushing an agenda I would have an issue. The same if a political or any other agenda was pushed by staff caring for our children

You are on a women’s forum telling women that their concerns about safeguarding for women and girls from men who self-identify as women are nonsense/bullshit.

that is activism in itself.