For thinking it is odd for trans men to give birth

[Overthinkingotter]

Talked to friend today and got on subject of trans men having babies. I said that, imo, being pregnant/giving birth is the last thing I’d want to do as a trans man as surely the process of pregnancy would be incredibly triggering for someone with gender dysphoriac? I the said that, if I were a trans man who wanted a baby, I’d most likely find an alternative way rather than carrying the baby myself.

I thought this was quite a mild comment, but fried reacted as if I had said something quite offensive/bigoted.
Is my view really so unreasonable/extreme?

I was with a woman as a young adult, we split, had some wild times and then I met my husband. It wasn't all that easy to meet other Black women of my age who were out to their families or distant enough for you not to be hidden.

While some people may use the term 'chest feeding' because that's what they're comfortable with, the NHS advice about 'chestfeeding' is specifically targeted to those who have had top surgery, ie who have had their breast tissue removed. It's essentially there to make sure trans men or non binary people are aware that breastfeeding could still be an option, depending on how their surgery was done, and that they can get advice about it. I guess otherwise they might assume that breastfeeding isn't an option for them, or that medical staff wouldn't know how to help them if they wanted to try it.

The issues surrounding us are weird things to talk about?

I think it creates some tension.

It is clearly documented throughout social media that Trans people are trying to various degrees to be seen as the sex they want to be and not the sex that they are.

Some of the language and methods used to do that have been aggressive and manipulative by invoking words like bigot etc... So to the genera public if a person has been someone who says that when someone calls them by the female pronoun rather than the male pronoun they are transphobic, then choose to become pregnant it is going to feel disingenuos.

Watch storyville from last night - answers your questions - yes the trans man hated having breasts form again but didn’t seem to mind the pregnancy

it will probably blow up mumsnet though if you watch it - it’s a thruple of men birthing babies!!

I heard about a case where a pregnant trans man caused great consternation when admitted to hospital for a pregnancy-related emergency, because all their paperwork talked about women, mothers, and she/her.

I'm generally very laissez-faire about transsexuality, but I did feel that the hospital should have told their patient to put up with it. If, as a trans man, you choose to do something that is absolutely something that only women can do, you don't get to make a fuss because you're described as a women. You really cannot claim that a man has given become pregnant and given birth.

This is an interesting question. I'm gender critical. However having children is a natural biological process regardless of gender identity. For this reason I do think that you are being a little unreasonable.

That notwithstanding you are absolutely not in anyway bigoted in your beliefs.

it pisses me off the judgement and pressure people get for holding those beliefs. Which are rightly legally protected.

😁

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/20/pregnant-transgender-mans-baby-died-because-nurse-didnt-realize-he-was-in-labor-9613972/

The result of denying reality.

I get that some transmen will still want to have biological children. But they could do that by freezing eggs prior to transition and using a surrogate (not that I agree with that either).

Maybe let trans people make the reproductive choices that feel right for them?

Well I doubt anyone on here has any interest interfering with their choices.

They're just making a point about the logical contradictions with that

Happy too.

As long as they are happy for the rest of us to refer to biological facts.

I agree OP, it’s almost like they are doing it for attention rather than from any genuine condition,,, 🤔

Er… if you’ve had your breast tissue removed, including your milk ducts you can’t breastfeed, and no, this was changed for all people. Just look at La Leche League for example.

You can breastfeed as a Transperson you take the hormones to bring the milk

That's a long winded way of saying you don't agree

No one should be sterilised against their will. But you cannot claim to be a man and then do something only women do, whilst claiming “men give birth too” and demanding others accept it. There have also been no studies on the effects of testosterone and eostrogen blockers on unborn babies. What harm might these powerful drugs do?

Er…. Not if you’ve had your milk ducts removed. Which happens when you have a total lateral mastectomy. They don’t leave those in. It’s all gone. In many cases, even the nipples are lost.

You could say that about a woman too it's not abuse 😂 I know abuse my mother called me a whore and told me I deserved to get raped when I was 7

It’s really not anyone else’s business.

No trans person needs to consider your opinion about their reproductive choices, any more than you need to consider theirs.

If a woman who thinks she’s a man has been taking the amount of testosterone required to give her facial hair, voice changes etc, chances are that the vaginal atrophy she will experience means she won’t be able to give birth normally.

Not to mention the potential effects of exposure on the baby.

Very little is written about the horrendous side effects of this drug.

Good to know one person on this thread has common sense 💕 if a trans person wants a baby and they can have one good for them being trans doesn't mean you don't want a family ❤️

Exactly, but they do not get to dictate language and get upset when people point out that they are not really a man as men can’t get pregnant, and demanding others accept others change their language to suit them. Look at that wazzock who gave birth then went to court demanding to be known as the father. That’s the batshittery people object to.