For thinking it is odd for trans men to give birth

[Overthinkingotter]

Talked to friend today and got on subject of trans men having babies. I said that, imo, being pregnant/giving birth is the last thing I’d want to do as a trans man as surely the process of pregnancy would be incredibly triggering for someone with gender dysphoriac? I the said that, if I were a trans man who wanted a baby, I’d most likely find an alternative way rather than carrying the baby myself.

I thought this was quite a mild comment, but fried reacted as if I had said something quite offensive/bigoted.
Is my view really so unreasonable/extreme?

@Wearenotborg who knew eh? 🤔

If I was trans man I would want to holistically identify as a male .. not conveniently switch back as biologically it was convenient? It would say it was a case of having your cake and eating it to!

I've always said this. I don't understand how you can claim to know in every fibre of your being that you are a real man, not a woman, and yet you will happily use your bioligical woman's body to conceive, carry and birth a baby. Surely if you believe you are a man, then you believe that you are an infertile man born without the ability to father a child because you have no penis and no sperm?

These people really are hilarous, the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance they'll employ to feed their narcissistic delusions.

It’s not for anyone else to tell another human being whether they should or shouldn’t bear a child, or what they should feel about it.

Why would you expect any sense or logic to come out of people that are either so mentally unwell that they believe they’re the opposite sex, or are so backwards in their thinking that they believe in gender nonsense?

The thing that irks me is that being referred to as a mum, a pregnant woman or a breastfeeding woman is so triggering for the poor lambs that the whole world needs to change it's language to suit them, and yet doing the most uniquely female thing possible is just fine.

True. But then that human being should understand biology and words. And not pump themselves full of drugs that may harm their baby.

There are many circumstances where it’s right and responsible to discourage a woman from bearing a child.

I pity the child.

The whole thing is ridiculous

This has always puzzled me.

They get upset and throw tantrums about words like "mother" and "vagina" and "breast"... yet they're absolutely fine with keeping those body parts and using them?

Some of them even show off their pregnant bellies proudly. "Look, I'm going to be a dad soon"

Really, what upsets them is the idea they're being perceived as female. Internalised misogyny is very powerful; being female is inferior, vulnerable, disgusting in their eyes. They're trying to elevate themselves from mere womanhood and be seen as people (men). So they demand terminology that denies their female-ness.

Men cannot get pregnant and neither can they give birth. Only bio women can do this

I just feel there are surely other ways to get the ‘end result’ rather than enduring pregnancy/birth and, it seems to me, having to concede that you are female, rather than the man you identify as.
There are lesbians who present in a masculine way who get pregnant and give birth, but their gender non-conformity does not seem as contradictory alongside birth as it does in the case of trans men (e.g. they are not on hormones/have no had surgery etc etc)

I am just wondering when this female who dresses like a bloke has her baby and then decides to breastfeed cos well, we women have that amazing opportunity to do so, do they call it chestfeeding so they do not upset themselves by mentioning their breasts? Its absolutely ridiculous. It is like men want to own the world (whats new like) and make woman not exist while needing us to actually keep the world going.

Yes. It’s non-sense.

How exactly could it happen anyway. Didn’t think a functioning uterus would be a possibility in this situation.
(probably be called a terrible person for thinking that, but hey ho)

if you're a trans man in a relationship with a cis man or a trans woman ...

... You're a woman in a relationship with a man. Just drop the imaginary complications and get pregnant, job done.

This is why the trans lobby fought so hard to have gender dysphoris dropped as a reason for being trans. Because (as has been stated) if you had dysphoria the last thing you would do would be to give birth to a child.
Many trans people are not dysphoric and trans has became a label and a political cause to fight for.

Men can’t give birth.

Everyone is different so no I don't find it weird

With everything this is going wrong in the world today - people getting bombed in Iran, the obliteration of Gaza, the existential climate crisis, the downhill slide of the UK etc etc and THIS is the topic you chose to discuss?

I'm so sick of all the gender and trans BS. It's all just navel gazing wankery that is pumped up in the media to distract us from the real problems facing our world today.

How do you know people aren’t discussing those things too @mjf981 ? People can care about and discuss more than one topic?

Sure but if he could, I'm almost certain he would. Despite it having psychological difficulties it would not have for me/many other women.

Fully agree with you. As a not especially feminine Woman, being pregnant and giving birth is the single most feminine thing I’ve ever done. I simply cannot square someone that rejects their femininity wanting to do it.