For thinking it is odd for trans men to give birth

[Overthinkingotter]

Talked to friend today and got on subject of trans men having babies. I said that, imo, being pregnant/giving birth is the last thing I’d want to do as a trans man as surely the process of pregnancy would be incredibly triggering for someone with gender dysphoriac? I the said that, if I were a trans man who wanted a baby, I’d most likely find an alternative way rather than carrying the baby myself.

I thought this was quite a mild comment, but fried reacted as if I had said something quite offensive/bigoted.
Is my view really so unreasonable/extreme?

Actually, they want our cake, the one with the secret XX recipe.

And if you offer a third space, that’s not acceptable. So it’s less about dignity and more about inserting themselves into spaces in which they don’t belong

I agree. Some transwomen do use third or fourth spaces but many refuse. Many believe that they're women or at least close enough to deserve/have earned the right to those spaces/services. They don't care that many women don't want them there or that some women can no longer use those spaces/services because transwomen are there (or might be there).

They believe they're right and that we're horrible bigots who don't deserve privacy, dignity, or being able to pee when we're away from home. Only they - and women who support them for only as long as they support them - deserve those things. Perfect example of male entitlement and thinking women are support animals for them.

I've always had a male do my pap smears it was a male who found my cancer in time I could care less what sex the doctor is they all went to medical school

And that’s fine for you. I assume you are in the US?

Other people are allowed to feel differently about it.

However I can’t go for testing because of the risk of a male in a dress who is either mentally ill, has a fetish or who is insufficiently aware of actual biology poking around up there.

You clearly have gender critical beliefs and that’s your privilege.

But saying that a qualified trans HCP care for you because a trans person won’t know the biology required to do their job is clearly transphobic. It’s a job which people have to be trained to do, and demonstrate their competence.

It’s disappointing because this is what makes real progress - of the kind that means that both natal women and trans people can live their lives without feel unsafe or discriminated against - impossible.

But if they’re claiming people can change sex.. they are not qualified to treat people. If they claim women can have a penis, they obviously failed basic biology.

Down to brainwashing by Stonewall, initially. Because they needed a source of funds after being gay was no longer much of an issue. And big business/banks etc. were only too happy to pay up for ‘training’.
Plus of course people or organisations terrified of being seen as un-woke/bigoted.

Anyone who genuinely believes that women can have female genitalia, male genitalia or some kind of unnamed thing cobbled together by surgeons is demonstrating a lack of knowledge.

That’s regardless of medical training (or actually despite it).

That isn’t transphobia. That is a disturbing lack of knowledge or refusal to acknowledge one of the most basic biological facts.

The rights of women (it doesn’t need a qualifier - the word ‘woman’ is a fairly easy to understand concept) are directly in conflict with the trans community. There would be more tolerance if they didn’t demand things like access to women only spaces, the right to participate in women’s sports. These are things women have fought for.

By pushing in (and screaming ‘transphobia’ at anyone who dares protest, they themselves have created this culture of division.

Historically it’s men who are acquisitive and aggressive (see history of wars, and most violence). The irony that they pretend to be women yet act like the worst kind of men isn’t lost on people.

I agree with all of this.

If the trans-movement had focused on their rights to express themselves how they wish and not be discriminated on account of that, they would have had huge support. If they'd campaigned for 3rd spaces, that would have been viewed positively. Why did Stonewall not put their considerable funds into this?

Instead, we got men insisting on muscling in on spaces and services that women fought hard to secure for themselves. That's absolutely unacceptable and it is no wonder the tide is turning.

Re the hormones taken: I often wonder how safe it is for the babies of trans people. For example, like in this thread, a biological female who identifies as a 'trans man' and has therefore taken testosterone, becoming pregnant. Or, a biological man who identifies as a 'trans woman' taking hormones to start to transition to become female but still using their sperm to create a baby.

Usually people are so careful about protecting unborn babies, eg avoiding soft cheese and certain medications in pregnancy. It seems mad to me that strong hormones could have been involved around trans pregnancy and that I've not seen much discussion on this.

Does anyone know whether there's been a lot of research into it?

Fully agree with By pushing in (and screaming ‘transphobia’ at anyone who dares protest, they themselves have created this culture of division.
its the classic #bekind, but where “kind” is you totally acquiesce to them, or be fired, doxxed, blocked and refused care…

Exactly that! Steamroller women in favour of men - kind of sounds familiar ..

@Darker

You talk about privilege but ignore the rights of women to have a same sex person perform intimate examinations, whilst overlooking the privilege of the man forcing themselves into that situation.

For years trans people have been banging on about respect, yet they give no respect to anyone else, unless of course those people are capitulating to the whims of the trans people.

In any other situation this lack of consent would see the trans people arrested for assault.

It can’t be safe! Then there are the men who take hormones so they can ‘chest feed’ - they are using babies as props to try to legitimise their batshit fetish.

I’ll go one step further. I think it’s odd for trans men to have PIV sex, as ‘men’ surely it should only be anal and no one should get pregnant.

This is bizarre extremism. You go to your appointment and if you're not happy or comfortable with the HCP provided for whatever reason you ask to reschedule with a different HCP surely? The letters do say the test will usually.be performed by a female HCP but it not being performed by one will extremely rarely be that the HCP will be trans instead, it's much more likely that they may need assistance for example calling a GP or consultant in who may or may not be female depending on who is rostered to work. You can decline whoever's available and ask to see someone else on a different day and you don't need to explain why. I fully agree with women requesting same sex care if that's their preference, but I'm not sure what you actually want the hospital / GP surgery to do? Hire all biological females and have no male HCPs? Disclose their staffs personal details to you? I'm confused that you'd rather die of a preventable cancer than just request to see a HCP of your choosing. Have you never been to your practice nurse for anything else to know a staff member you'd rather see?

It's just as likely (or more likely even) that your male HCP (who doesn't claim to be trans) is mentally ill or has a sexual fetish but you said you'll accept a male non trans HCP upthread. So to then say you can't go for testing is bizarre. If you showed up to an appointment and suspected it was a man in a dress just reschedule? I'm not sure what else you actually want to happen in that scenario?

Policing other people's private consensual sexual behaviour, or even thinking about you think others should be doing sexually, is really odd but it's more odd that actually went ahead and typed it out.

I have stated several times that
I am fine with male HCPs. I’m not fine with women’s intimate healthcare being provided by someone who doesn’t know the difference between vaginas, penises and some weird combination

And you really think it’s as easy as someone walking in who is trans and me saying no thanks?

These other male hcps… would they be making others take part in their delusions?

Why wouldn't it be? I've asked to see another HCP several times for different reasons (sometimes just onto the consultation I just didn't like them) and no one has ever denied me or insisted I continue with an appointment or examination.

I don't understand your point. You don't care about a male gynaecologist coming across as creepy or having a fetish as long as they're not in a dress? Or you could decline seeing him but not a man in a dress? I don't get your point.