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For thinking it is odd for trans men to give birth

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Overthinkingotter · 02/04/2026 20:35

Talked to friend today and got on subject of trans men having babies. I said that, imo, being pregnant/giving birth is the last thing I’d want to do as a trans man as surely the process of pregnancy would be incredibly triggering for someone with gender dysphoriac? I the said that, if I were a trans man who wanted a baby, I’d most likely find an alternative way rather than carrying the baby myself.

I thought this was quite a mild comment, but fried reacted as if I had said something quite offensive/bigoted.
Is my view really so unreasonable/extreme?

OP posts:
LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 06/04/2026 13:08

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 06/04/2026 12:53

It's just as likely (or more likely even) that your male HCP (who doesn't claim to be trans) is mentally ill or has a sexual fetish but you said you'll accept a male non trans HCP upthread. So to then say you can't go for testing is bizarre. If you showed up to an appointment and suspected it was a man in a dress just reschedule? I'm not sure what else you actually want to happen in that scenario?

A trans HCP clearly doesn’t understand what genitals women have - why would I let them poke around!

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 06/04/2026 13:09

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 06/04/2026 13:00

Why wouldn't it be? I've asked to see another HCP several times for different reasons (sometimes just onto the consultation I just didn't like them) and no one has ever denied me or insisted I continue with an appointment or examination.

Well good for you. I realise now that a lot of you are pretending not to understand.

PoppinjayPolly · 06/04/2026 13:13

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 06/04/2026 13:01

I don't understand your point. You don't care about a male gynaecologist coming across as creepy or having a fetish as long as they're not in a dress? Or you could decline seeing him but not a man in a dress? I don't get your point.

well absolutely if they present like that of course I would decline, but I doubt someone doing so would remain in post.
Yet with the trans delusion they get lauded, praised and celebrated. And never questioned.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 06/04/2026 13:37

PoppinjayPolly · 06/04/2026 13:13

well absolutely if they present like that of course I would decline, but I doubt someone doing so would remain in post.
Yet with the trans delusion they get lauded, praised and celebrated. And never questioned.

Exactly -nobody is poking around unless they actually know what should be there !

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 06/04/2026 14:34

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 06/04/2026 12:55

Policing other people's private consensual sexual behaviour, or even thinking about you think others should be doing sexually, is really odd but it's more odd that actually went ahead and typed it out.

someone identifying as a man having sex with someone who is a man makes it quite surprising that they’re having heterosexual sex, particularly if they’ve been firmly identifying as gay. (Gay not bi). A big part of same sex attraction is the bits, dangly or otherwise.
And then when there is great surprise (and anguish) when a positive pregnancy test is the consequence of this ranging heterosex just leads to the desire to bang all heads together

Missey85 · 07/04/2026 07:09

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 06/04/2026 09:13

And that’s fine for you. I assume you are in the US?

Other people are allowed to feel differently about it.

Actually I'm from Australia 🦘 and the male doctor I see is gay and married with twins the receptionist is a trans person it doesn't bother me all I care about is if their qualified and they are

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 07/04/2026 13:13

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 06/04/2026 13:08

A trans HCP clearly doesn’t understand what genitals women have - why would I let them poke around!

Who is saying you need to? I'm asking you to explain why you can't just ask to see another HCP if on the very rare occurrence it happened that you were assigned someone trans. Unless there is a member of your practice team you already know or suspect is trans that you can simply ask not to see you're not explaining why you are self excluding from screening. Have you not met your practise nurses for any other reason or smears in the past and just ask to see the same person again?

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 07/04/2026 13:14

PoppinjayPolly · 06/04/2026 13:13

well absolutely if they present like that of course I would decline, but I doubt someone doing so would remain in post.
Yet with the trans delusion they get lauded, praised and celebrated. And never questioned.

Kindly though you don't need to question them or laud them, simple ask to see someone else as you're entitled to without them querying why or refusing? You're just not entitled to debate with them their right to work in a healthcare job they're qualified for, doesn't mean you have to be seen by them.

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 07/04/2026 13:16

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 06/04/2026 14:34

someone identifying as a man having sex with someone who is a man makes it quite surprising that they’re having heterosexual sex, particularly if they’ve been firmly identifying as gay. (Gay not bi). A big part of same sex attraction is the bits, dangly or otherwise.
And then when there is great surprise (and anguish) when a positive pregnancy test is the consequence of this ranging heterosex just leads to the desire to bang all heads together

None of this is a justification or explanation of why anyone gets to police what consensual activities people do together whether they are same or opposite sex. Gay men don't have to have anal sex in their sexual activities just as hetero couples don't have to have PIV, bloody weird and inappropriate to decide to type on an internet forum what sex you insist people should be having!

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 07/04/2026 13:18

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 06/04/2026 13:37

Exactly -nobody is poking around unless they actually know what should be there !

What does this actually mean though in reality? You could have a biological females nurse or gynae doctor who is a TRA - does that mean they don't know what anatomy you're meant to have? Does every HCP need to fill in a questionnaire by you before you'll decide if they're qualified to see them? You seem to be confusing your right to request care by a HCP of your preference with your desire to interrogate healthcare staff.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 07/04/2026 17:10

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 07/04/2026 13:16

None of this is a justification or explanation of why anyone gets to police what consensual activities people do together whether they are same or opposite sex. Gay men don't have to have anal sex in their sexual activities just as hetero couples don't have to have PIV, bloody weird and inappropriate to decide to type on an internet forum what sex you insist people should be having!

I don’t care what kind of sex people have as long as it’s consensual and legal
I was just pointing out it isn’t actually very logical to pretend to be in a same sex relationship when it really isn’t
and also if natural consequences arise , it’d the audden application of reality to a scenario

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 08/04/2026 07:44

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 07/04/2026 17:10

I don’t care what kind of sex people have as long as it’s consensual and legal
I was just pointing out it isn’t actually very logical to pretend to be in a same sex relationship when it really isn’t
and also if natural consequences arise , it’d the audden application of reality to a scenario

I don’t care what kind of sex people have as long as it’s consensual and legal

Keep your opinions to what you think others should want to do with different "bits" to yourself then of you care so little!

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 09:38

Ok - I should rephrase . I don’t care what activities individuals get up to as long as it is consensual and legal . I am however baffled that individuals would claim to be gay when they are NOT actually a same sex couple.

HOwever, logic does also rear its head. (THough @Whyohwhyohwhy26 this may be something you aren’t familiar with) If people are so dysphoric they’d take scissors to their penises or bind their breasts, and take cross sex hormones to mess with their secondary sexual characteristics - and would rather threaten to commit suicide than be otherwise - how is having a baby not going to mess with their minds and be even more dysphoric . And tied to that, how doesn’t PIV sex melt the brains also. Consider my queries at a societal rather than an individual level.

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 08/04/2026 13:05

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 09:38

Ok - I should rephrase . I don’t care what activities individuals get up to as long as it is consensual and legal . I am however baffled that individuals would claim to be gay when they are NOT actually a same sex couple.

HOwever, logic does also rear its head. (THough @Whyohwhyohwhy26 this may be something you aren’t familiar with) If people are so dysphoric they’d take scissors to their penises or bind their breasts, and take cross sex hormones to mess with their secondary sexual characteristics - and would rather threaten to commit suicide than be otherwise - how is having a baby not going to mess with their minds and be even more dysphoric . And tied to that, how doesn’t PIV sex melt the brains also. Consider my queries at a societal rather than an individual level.

Again I really don't know why you're inserting yourself enough to be baffled. If two people are consensually having sex together, whatever bits they have is none of your business for you to be assigning a label to them.

how is having a baby not going to mess with their minds and be even more dysphoric .

No idea why you're asking me this.as I haven't made any comment on this or said it wouldn't? Other posters have already explained quite well why someone might do this despite the downsides because they're in a couple who wants to be a family. Many women proceed with other pregnancies that they know will affect them badly in some aspects, and again not your business to police why they would put themselves through that.

Consider my queries at a societal rather than an individual level.
Consensual sex acts between two people is always a private and not a societal matter! I don't know why you're finding this so hard to accept. I assume you're in a hetero couple but I wouldn't assume or insist that you have PIV sex with your partner and I also have no interest in knowing what you two get up to.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 13:52

In a nutshell, a transman and a cis man in a relationship are lying about being gay, a transman being pregnant is lying about being a man

And we shouldn’t lie

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 08/04/2026 14:13

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 13:52

In a nutshell, a transman and a cis man in a relationship are lying about being gay, a transman being pregnant is lying about being a man

And we shouldn’t lie

Still doesn't give you the right to think you or society can dictate what sexual acts they consent though. We shouldn't lie but people do all the time, and we can all know when to mind our business.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 14:43

It matters when lies impact other people, and sex based rights
And it matters when lies skew statistics and affect allocation of resources to different groups
And it matters when lies get in the way of biological reality

Boomer55 · 08/04/2026 14:46

Overthinkingotter · 02/04/2026 20:35

Talked to friend today and got on subject of trans men having babies. I said that, imo, being pregnant/giving birth is the last thing I’d want to do as a trans man as surely the process of pregnancy would be incredibly triggering for someone with gender dysphoriac? I the said that, if I were a trans man who wanted a baby, I’d most likely find an alternative way rather than carrying the baby myself.

I thought this was quite a mild comment, but fried reacted as if I had said something quite offensive/bigoted.
Is my view really so unreasonable/extreme?

They gave birth because they are biological women. Whatever they identify as. 🙄

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 08/04/2026 14:48

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 14:43

It matters when lies impact other people, and sex based rights
And it matters when lies skew statistics and affect allocation of resources to different groups
And it matters when lies get in the way of biological reality

Except other people's sexual activities or decisions about their own fertility don't affect you or your sex based rights. There are absolutely trans issues that do, but using that to justify policing others on how or why they have sex and whether they choose to have biological children is veering into a weird territory. You don't need to understand it, I don't either, but no group of people deserves to have others mandate what sex they're allowed to have or if they are allowed to have biological children, whatever you may think.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 15:03

It just makes no sense. Like, how can you do with one hand what you deny with the other .

Whyohwhyohwhy26 · 09/04/2026 08:47

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 08/04/2026 15:03

It just makes no sense. Like, how can you do with one hand what you deny with the other .

Probably with the same amount of cognitive dissonance you're displaying in your principals and actions 👍

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