For thinking it is odd for trans men to give birth

[Overthinkingotter]

Talked to friend today and got on subject of trans men having babies. I said that, imo, being pregnant/giving birth is the last thing I’d want to do as a trans man as surely the process of pregnancy would be incredibly triggering for someone with gender dysphoriac? I the said that, if I were a trans man who wanted a baby, I’d most likely find an alternative way rather than carrying the baby myself.

I thought this was quite a mild comment, but fried reacted as if I had said something quite offensive/bigoted.
Is my view really so unreasonable/extreme?

Personally, as a cis woman, I didn't have to cope with dysphoria during my pregnancy sooooo my post actually makes fuck all sense your way. Luckily I live in the real world where I can use precise and useful language to delineate which groups of people I'm talking about, rather than desperately trying to flatten everyone into some sort of stick figure 5-year-old view of the world in order to cling on to a fading sense of relevance and order.

It's likely to be driven by need over want though. Fertility treatment is expensive.

It’s why they try to divorce sex from the meanings of men and women. If you believe men and women are just basically subjective feelings then men can give birth. It’s all nonsense.

I’ve always wondered this as no offence to women who cannot have children but being pregnant and giving birth is like the most womenly thing your body does.

If you truly believe you are a man being pregnant and giving birth should be something that wouldn’t even cross your mind it should be mental and physical torture.

It’s a weird boundary in one breath trans women are women in the next breath trans man gives birth. The math doesn’t math.

This is an interesting point actually

I agree with you. The argument that we've all been sold is that trans people truly believe themselves to have been incorrectly 'assigned' a sex at birth, while in fact being the opposite. And anyone who doesn't go along with this fallacy is hateful, transphobic and bigoted.

So if they truly believe themselves to be the opposite sex, why on earth would they choose to do something which so clearly identifies them as actually being the sex that they deny they are? It makes no sense.

But then none of it makes any sense, does it?

Even more ridiculous if like TIF Freddie McConnell you not only decide to give birth twice but then throw a wobbly and go to court because you want to be registered on the birth certificate as the children’s father.

Umm…. If your husband is a biological man, there’s no way that baby is coming out safely 😂😂😂😂

I actually still remember the first time I saw in the paper. Man gives birth and I was all wow wtf how. Then I read the article and my brain just went so woman has baby…. Slow news day.

Of course it's hard to understand. If someone is mentally ill they need to get help not pretend they are in the wrong body. To pretend to be a man then have a baby is fucking nuts of the highest proportion. Poor baby. My Sil was sectioned for having a phycosis and her son was taken away, yet these mentally ill people are allowed to have babies and everyone pretends it's normal. Thier kids are going to be totally messed up.

@Overthinkingotter I agree with your point but I think a woman-who-identifies-as-a-man would think to herself that it's fine for 'men' to bear children, and not see a contradiction. She'd think to herself she's a man/person with a uterus and ovaries. Just the same as the NHS sends out cervical screening test notifications for people with cervixes, etc.

But we’re not allowed to use those words. It’s birthing parent, chest feeding and uterus havers now. Just so those women claiming to be men don’t get too upset.

That’s fine. But they don’t get to say “men can get pregnant”. No man can get pregnant. They’ll just have to cope with the fact they are not men and never will be.

I don’t get this post at all.

@ lots of women dislike being pregnant and let’s be honest, birth isn’t exactly a walk in the park. But we put our bodies through it all because we want the end result more than anything else. I’m assuming trans men feel the same way.

It’s men/trans women giving birth that I’m not looking forward to. The first baby has already been born using a transplanted womb (to a woman) so the science is on the way.

So let me guess - you "just happened" to end up with a man?

And surely all the drugs, especially testosterone, must be very bad for the baby in utero. Honestly,women are not supposed to eat soft cheese, tuna, drink alcohol, smoke etc etc blah blah but apparently male hormones while pregnant..... Hey, no problem. All disgraceful. Bloody NHS is seriously messed up

They’d have to redesign the male torso though? Where would the baby gestate? It’s almost like men and women have different biology which means women have space to gestate a baby and men don’t. So I think it’s a looooooong time coming

The emporer is not wearing any clothes.
I know people should notice.

I was just coming on to say this - presuming this is all too recent for any meaningful research to have been done on the effects of testosterone on the development of the foetus, but I can't imagine how there couldn't be adverse impacts.

Wouldn't all the artificial hormones they have to take harm the baby?

So essentially just a woman who likes to look like a bloke then cos all the bits and pieces are still female without drugs and things to change whatever it is the drugs make you change so you would be just a woman who dresses like a man having a baby and not a trans man at all really.

Basically yes. It’s almost as if humans can’t change sex and only women can get pregnant.

I imagine people are willing to put up with it if it’s the only way they can create the family they want.

I find the use of the phrase chest feeding strange though. I am a member of a few breast cancer support groups and it’s always referred to as breast cancer, even in cis men. Never chest cancer. So don’t understand why breastfeeding can’t be a gender neutral term too.