Is there now a lack of personal responsibility?

[niknak1234]

Is there now a lack of personal responsibility?

Another thread inspired me to ask this question.

Now don't get me wrong there have been events over the last few years that have increased the cost of living. COVID, Truss budget, Ukraine/Russia, Iran etc.

Now I am by no means denying they haven't had a big impact, but are people using them to avoid failings in their lives?

Doesn’t sound like she does anything tbh. No idea what she’s pay to do! Can I use my phone in school ? If not why not?

More assumptions then 🙄

Safeguarding. That’s an easy one.😬

So it’s ok to avoid work and play on your phone at work as long as you have adhd and safeguarding is not a concern?

Doesn’t it depend on her work? I work for myself and have a lot of breaks to do something else because if not I can’t cope with my work. In your job, you can’t do that, but I can as I am my own boss and my brain can’t function staring at a screen, I have to take a break regularly to recharge my brain (partly why I have chosen the jobs I have in life, I couldn’t teach as I’d be an overwhelmed mess). What she does and how she copes likely differ to you.

Depends on her job, surely.

If you are infront of a class of kids, then mucking about on your phone is taking the piss.

Your attitude is part of the problem, but you'll never admit it. In fact, you can't even see it.

Is it really that challenging to see what the inflated price of mortgages, deposits and rents - not to mention goods and services - is doing to many people in this country who are just starting out, or falling on hard times?

How can you be so fucking smug? It's not just ignorance, it's cruelty.

What jobs can you ‘ go on your phone ‘ ? I am presuming this person is not self employed therefore is being paid by someone else.

In one of my old jobs, on weekends we could get through a novel. After our routine jobs, there was nothing else to do, so we would read (or now, they would be playing on their phone).

PP didn't say what the job was.

Lucky you! What did you do? Was it well paid? I’m sick of teaching tbh.

I know a night security guard who reads and watches films.

My eldest has a part time job in an off license. They have time to study and read too. I’d have killed for that job as a teenager.

The cost of living is having a huge impact on people's lives. My parents worked low paid, unskilled jobs and had 3 children. They had no help from the government other than standard child benefit and managed to buy a 4 bed house (cheap area but met our needs) drive a car and make sure we were all well fed and clothed. A family of 5 with parents in unskilled jobs could not live like that today without government support. There's a record number of people in work claiming benefits , it's not lack of personal responsibility, they're out earning a wage, but the cost of living is too high.

Min wage. Hospital porter.

A very important job if not well paid.

but then if there were all good people then there would still be other business people etc and the list goes on

Surely personal responsibility is things like not littering, owning up to mistakes and taking whatever that leads to. Parenting well and not letting your kids run riot from toddlers up. Being a decent citizen of the country you live in. etc
Not if you can afford a mortgage or not....

I think people are blamed or asked to take more personal responsibility for things out of their control. Take covid for example - people lost businesses etc due to political choices. People are losing the ability to work now due to political choices around addressing the impact covid infections are having. The rising number of children with long covid isn’t the children’s fault!
The impact of the Truss budget wasn’t the fault of the people left footing the bill!
Lots of people are trying to find work and aren’t “workshy”.
People shouldn’t have to go and do their own research on blood tests etc - they could just be told what their results really mean and that NHS threshold doesn’t cover them.
Attendance issues - illness in teachers and pupils has increased. Attendance when ill has also increased.

It makes no sense. If the CoL is high and certain are 100x more expensive (for whatever reasons), what personal responsibility can make that less so? Even if we’re talking retraining, furthering your education, getting a better paid job etc. that’s a future solution not an immediate one. You’re still fucking depressed/struggling.

I don't think it is should be called "lack of personal responsibility" for not getting a better paid job.
Years ago, a single person on a NMW job could afford to live alone and have a life. I did it for years.
Now, due to the cost of everything going up, they can't... yet on MN they get blamed and told it is their own fault for being skint.

I think someone on NMW should be able to afford to live alone and have some nice things. It should be the minimum standard of living.... not something to look up to.

Not everyone can retrain or get better jobs. We need people in the low paid jobs.

Oh I definitely know that too. But even if you bring it down to just basics (and ignore that the country would literally stop functioning) it still doesn’t work as an argument.

but if she had some personal responsibility and was aware she was always being distracted her phone she’d put it away, surely?

People today seem to expect to ‘live independently’ always and if they can’t afford it the get the state to pay, whereas if they had some personal responsibility they’d move back in with their parents (like by brother just did age 35 after leaving the armed forces). His friends take the Mickey but he’s taking personal responsibility not taking the piss.

There’s plenty of single parents who work full time making use of breakfast club and afterschool clubs but suggest that to some who’d rather just work 16 hours and make a benefits claim and they’d be outraged. The single parents working full time are taking personal responsibility.

My cousin has permanently stopped working age 38 due to a degenerative disease but he gets 75% of his previous salary up to pensionable age (tho sadly he’s unlikely to live that long) because he took out workplace income protection insurance prior to getting ill. That’s taking personal responsibility.

The reason why our benefits bill is so high is because people fail to take personal responsibility.

More than half of the benefits bill (58%) goes on pensions and benefits for the elderly. The remaining 42% consists of disabily, UC , housing allowance etc.

If only those old people had more personal responsibility and didn’t need a state pension/benefits in their old age…. Right?

1). Climb over the back of your garden fence (small) to go to friends house in cul de sac - if not damaging, noisy or inconsiderate then 6. If other parents could find it cheeky, risk of damaging plants or fence never.
2). Allow them to walk or ride their bike by themselves to other neighbours house three doors down at the end of cul de sac, crossing road - 6
3). Make pancakes, fried eggs and biscuits themselves, whilst you are close by but in the next room - 9 for all cooking without fat, 11 with
4). Order for themselves when at a restaurant or cafe - our from 5ish - infact if telling me their order were told to ask the server from 5ish
5). Pay for themselves when buying a toy etc in a shop - 6ish maybe, 11 year old puts her stuff through separately every time and goes to shop alone to get stuff for us and does interaction on own then walks home.

Hope this helps - ours have known how to behave in a nice restaurant from being young, offering to pass salt, pouring water, ordering politely, reading menu and discussing options, etc. You can make it a game and manners are noticed. We are crap in some other parenting ways though lol.

Funny you say that, but there is a thread on here at the moment where people are saying about taking responsibility about pensions too.
I did initially think this thread was about that one.