Is there now a lack of personal responsibility?

[niknak1234]

Is there now a lack of personal responsibility?

Another thread inspired me to ask this question.

Now don't get me wrong there have been events over the last few years that have increased the cost of living. COVID, Truss budget, Ukraine/Russia, Iran etc.

Now I am by no means denying they haven't had a big impact, but are people using them to avoid failings in their lives?

Ooh. Proof?

Well, yep, I directly blame Trump when paying the ridiculously inflated price for petrol and fuel.

My wages haven't shot up in the last six weeks but my expenses have.

Here is one link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0xvzvkrvvo

Have you worked in the civil service for many years?

Where is the basis for this assertion?

I indirectly work for them on an outsourced basis.

You don’t think working in a highly pressured, underfunded system with some of the most vulnerable, and challenging people in society would impact your mental health?

Have you ever worked as a prison officer?

Officers say a lack of support, regular traumatic incidents and violence are factors behind the rise.

Yes, very “rage bait” and lacking in nuance.

I was in progress on three different jobs when lockdown hit. All three got pulled. Nothing to do with my suitability for the role or interview performance - just gone. I couldn’t have taken any personal responsibility there, because there was none.

If I decided to give up even looking after that, THAT would be a personal responsibility issue. But at the same time, I could only apply for what was out there. I was responsible for doing my best to get a job, but of course lockdown was to blame for fewer opportunities. It’s very rarely as black and white as everything or nothing being down to external factors.

I haven't.

Your proof for civil service says that one prison officer needed inpatient psychiatric care.

I would suggest that maybe if someone needs inpatient psychiatric care they do in fact have mental health issues and are not making them up?

or are all hospitals filled with people who are making it up?

Well prison officers have a difficult and dangerous job and staffing has been cut to the bone. Prisons are decaying, overcrowded and violent. Rehabilitation is very much absent.

So I don't think this is a case of lacking personal responsibility. More like the bad decisions of governments coming home to roost.

Nothing’s anyone’s fault anymore

Quite.

I wholeheartedly agree. Everyone expecting the government, NHS, or some other entity to take care of what should be basic self responsibilities of any adult.

1. over weight and / or depressed = NHS’s job to jab and / or prescribe pills rather than eating, healthily, moving, developing self resilience etc

2. cost of living goes up = governments job to make energy prices cheaper rather than having ensured sufficient provisions to account for tough times

3. child struggling at school due to being a bit of a snow flake = teachers job to bend over backwards and adapt everything to accommodate the little darling rather than applying a dose of parenting and teaching the kid some life skills

Unpopular views said slightly tongue in cheek to make a point however I don’t think far from the truth.

We would be much better of as a society if we all took more personal responsibility for ourselves plus those in need around us.

It made me leave the country and give up, so yes I feel you

He isn't everybody's cup of tea, but he is spot on.

It is literally the governments job to consider the common wealth of all the people in this country and this has been a feature of governments since at least 1600

Ah, your agenda reveals itself!

There is no agenda.

I am allowed to have a different opinion to you am I not?

The word “now” is used and people say this a lot.

If you look in the past you’ll see people having 10+ kids while being dirt poor. If anything people now are infinitely more responsible than previous generations and before you say contraception I’ve been using the pull out method my entire life and only ever gotten pregnant when I wanted to

Of course! But Peterson is a very distinct flavour of different opinion, shall we say.

But you cannot deny that the housing boom affected the potential for people with ‘ordinary’ jobs to buy a house. If more people own today, it’s often via inheritance or having to get a much bigger mortgage.

He is, and like most commentators if it be the left or right there will always been a degree of clickbait.

I would describe myself as right of center, and I like some (not all) of what he has to say.

What else do you mean now? There is always been lack of personal responsibility. Just less people knew about people not taking personal responsibility.
It’s there for all to see that’s the only difference now

Are there lots of teachers in your village being forced to work elsewhere? If not, I suspect that it’s a good thing that people aren’t being forced into jobs because they are the only ones available locally regardless of if they match their skill set.

And a lot of the schools near me are crying out for lay governors and can’t ever find them. Did any of the villagers who cared so much about this school ever enquire about how they could help run it and keep it open?

I see similar complaints about the courts system, which is primarily run by volunteers. Yet those people who loudly proclaim sentences are too light etc etc don’t seem to be the same people who are applying to actually be a magistrate and have direct involvement in setting those sentences.

People don’t seem to want to put the effort in to have the “power”, it’s not that it’s always being taken away from them.