Is there now a lack of personal responsibility?

[niknak1234]

Is there now a lack of personal responsibility?

Another thread inspired me to ask this question.

Now don't get me wrong there have been events over the last few years that have increased the cost of living. COVID, Truss budget, Ukraine/Russia, Iran etc.

Now I am by no means denying they haven't had a big impact, but are people using them to avoid failings in their lives?

How old is your colleague? She will aim to get her children diagnosed with sn or some kind of nd so that she can claim benefits for them. Then she’ll work part time and claim carers allowance. She knows how to work the system and the system is so crap that it will let her.

Yes, I think there’s a HIGE issue with lots of people thinking the world owes them a living - whether it’s as big an issue as it’s always been, I don’t know. But I do think that personal responsibility has been declining since the Industrial Revolution and starts in tiny ways such as millions of us not being prepared to wash our own cars any more and preferring to drive around with them filthy instead of making the effort to clean them ourselves if we can’t get to/afford a car wash.

Taking care of your things is a base level of responsibility that SO many people I know just can’t seem to fathom. People who can’t even sew on a button or clean a pair of shoes, FFS!

in a wider sense, I’ve just left a job working with THE laziest bunch of twats imaginable - all under 30 - who couldn’t understand why they had to do, well… ANYTHING at all to earn their pay. Constant moaning about being tired: ‘…. like SO exhausted…’ 🙄, working through the simplest of tasks at a glacial pace to avoid taking on anything else, whining about absolutely everything and taking great offence at being told to shut up and stop talking for five minutes which might have enabled their miniscule attention spans to cope with their tiny workloads. They couldn’t concentrate or focus properly on ANYTHING and everything was always someone else’s fault.

Bollocks! She sounds like a lazy cow who is quite happy to watch everyone else work while she plays on her phone. If she had the choice between work and get paid or don’t work and starve I’m sure she would be able to ‘ work’.

Please tell me it was at least a private company and they weren’t being patrolled by tax payers?

What being judged for doing no work at work? The only thing that I'm judging her on is her lack of work ethic as she spends most the day fiddling with her phone and going on about her mental health!

There has certainly been a big change from accepting something not quite perfect to the expectation of holding personal power to demand compensation/changes. Whether a meal out, a late parcel, transport, your child's education. The ease of which a complaint can be made and public criticism have helped to create a sense of someone else's responsibility. We have encouraged to look less at ourselves and more to the service from others, equipped with weapons of SM and reviews. This is positive for genuine concerns and challenge to improve but also detrimental to the people in the services just trying to do their jobs the best they can but catch someone having a bad day/keyboard troll/unreasonable. Xx

Except they did, they had free school meals and free school milk and benefits when these elders children were young. Council houses given out like candy unlike now. Go back further and you have people having ten kids and maybe they weren’t expecting the state to pay but they just let their ten kids live a miserable overcrowded existence, hardly responsible is it?

What we have now is an unbelievable amount of effort channelled into "why should I?" and coming up with a million ways to justify not doing something.

Litter is a prime example. Bemoaning the state of the place with litter everywhere but never picking up any litter.

Years ago people used to clean the street outside their houses. You barely see that now.

As soon as someone starts blaming Covid for some failing (I am thinking of businesses as well as individuals), I stop listening. Restrictions lifted FIVE years ago. There’s a whole generation of children (anyone age 8 & under) who literally have no recollection of Covid.

Time to move on.

Depends how you look at it really doesn't it? Because yes, house prices were proportionately lower. But life was also filled with far fewer luxuries and extravagances. Only the very wealthy would do things like go on holiday multiple times a year or eat out weekly. And there was more of an order to doing things. Marriage, house and then kids. Turning that on its head means more people go into renting and have kids which obviously makes it more difficult to save for a deposit.
Then the cars. £500 or so a month for a white 3 series on hire purchase plus whatever the insurance costs. The new iPhone every other year so being in a perpetual cycle of paying £70 a month until your contract is paid off then immediately starting the whole thing again.

Different priorities now. But people don't want to admit it because everyone seems to think they should be entitled to everything without compromise.

I'd guess around mid 30s.

Maybe my perception of her is generational as I am 59. My view is that you have been employed to work and that your private life shouldn't interfere with that. I'm just surprised that her 'hyper focus' enables her to be on her phone (texting, fiddling, etc) most of the day and quite blatantly shirk working. She doesn't seem embarrassed at all. Her chattiness about herself seems to be about distracting me from working but I'm a temp and if I don't pull my weight I won't be asked back next week. She's been there nine years but did mention that she got her diagnosis after the pandemic (2022?). I asked her if she had had Covid and if it was related and she said no.

My friend is severely allergic to shellfish. Epi pen, call an ambulance type of allergy. She ordered a takeaway, was very clear and specific about her allergies. Got all the reassurances and promises. Paid. Got home and luckily emptied the container on a plate rather than eating straight from it (like a lot of people do). Stray shrimp on the plate when she separated it all, because she does take persona responsibility above and beyond just informing the place. She couldn’t eat any of it of course, and if the prawn was smaller, cut up, better hidden she would’ve ended up in hospital. Was she not supposed to complain? Was she not supposed to ask for money back for a meal she couldn’t eat? And if worse happened (especially with her pregnant) should she /her family not take it further?

Speak to your boss about her lack of work! She’s taking the piss! I imagine she paid for her diagnosis which may or may not be genuine? It’s still not an excuse for not completing the role she is being paid for? Is it public service or a private company ?
I guarantee she’ll be on several online adhd support pages getting all the info necessary to get her children diagnosed with whatever she can. I’d be 99% certain she’s renting her property too because playing the system only really works when you take absolutely no responsibility for yourself at all.

Wow. A woman has ADHD, and it comes out in her behaviour in the workplace. You have gone from that to jumping to the conclusion she paid for a diagnosis and rents her property. WTF has renting property got to do with ADHD? Plenty of people rent.

How is renting not taking responsibility? Can you please explain that.

Tbh renting a home and claiming uc to help pay rent on the home whilst having three children doesn’t scream personal responsibility to me. This woman regardless of any diagnosis is taking the piss at work.
How in your opinion does she sound like a hard working person? She sits on her phone while making quite clear that her adhd is the reason why ??

And I have no idea if she rents or not? Just pointing out that it is so much easier to play the system if one rents because then you can claim uc, work minimal hours, claim dla and ca for your children without ‘ever’ having the worry of paying a mortgage. Are you saying people like this don’t exist?

How do you know this woman claims UC? PP didn't say anything about that at all.
You are just assuming. You are also assuming she is single and the father is out of the picture. You assume she rents.

Why all of the assumptions? And again, how is renting not taking responsibility? Are home owners somehow morally superior in your eyes?

I never assumed she is single !

Then why mention she has 3 kids. The dad could also be at work whilst kids are at school. A "normal" family set up.

Christ, you don't like this woman and you know fuck all about her.

People who pay their own way at in life are morally superior imo.

I don’t like lazy people !

Three kids will bring in a healthy dla check.

How do you know she is not? PP knows her from work, she clearly works and has done for 9 years in the same job. Having known people with ADHD, 9 years in the same job is quite an accomplishment.

Again, what is wrong with renting?

So if she’s not on benefits , she’s morally superior all of the sudden? Despite the annoying conversations and laziness?😬.

Those are some serious metal gymnastics you’re contorting yourself into there. Hope you warmed up before.

She ‘ goes to work’. Doesn’t sound like she ‘does much work’ while there.