15 Minutes expected before you begin

[ThatPearlkitty]

Inspired by another thread but a separate topic when eg the role is 9 to 5 paid hourly then why do some employers want people eg 15 mins before your actual start time why dont they pay for your time before then, yes i understand most roles is necessary eg coat, get ready for the day etc but then its free labour ?

So are you forced to do this at your job?

nope i volunteer my time for a great cause,

Ok so you work for no money at all?

Logging in is part of your job so no, you should not be required to have logged in by your start time. You should however be ready to log in at your start time.

Logging in is part of your job and shouldn’t be required to be done before your start time.

any overtime thats unpaid i volunteer my extra time to help the cause

Sorry I’m not getting you? Are you saying you willingly do unpaid overtime?

if im needed early or if im needed to do overtime and its necessary then ill do my best but i still get paid for the normal contracted hours

With some businesses there seem to be an expectation that employees on the national minimum wage will work for an extra 15 or 30 unpaid. Surely if it a regular thing it should be factored in?

that i agree with, when its pretty much a daily aspect

I think logging in is part of work, surely? Coat/loo/coffee are not
But turning your machine on (and not your fault if it takes ages to fire up) is work activity!

Omg this poster is still here, advocating for women and girls, to routinely work for less than NMW.

And rejoicing that anyone who declines will make her look better.

I think the modern term for this is a 'try-hard'.

Many NHS jobs have handover periods baked in to contracted hours so that shifts overlap for this specific purpose.

As I said before, if you're salaried for doing a job rather than paid by the hour to be there, there will be flexibility required.

But this thread started about people who are forced to do extra hours unpaid for no reason whatsoever, where it only ever goes one way.

You simply cannot compare a (very well-salaried) heart surgeon having to stay on and deal with complications until the operation is properly completed with an office worker who uses a computer which predictably as clockwork needs to be booted up and logged in every morning but the employer refuses to ever pay for this essential part of the job.

Oh dear. I don’t know why you think I’m advocating some kind of slavery (and wtf is the relevance of women and girls?)

I am not ‘advocating’ anything. I have never worked a NMW job in my life - perhaps if I did, I would think differently.

I work in a professional environment where it is expected that we work extra as part of our jobs. It’s not ‘try hard’.

So is the issue that in your example is a daily thing and expected as part of the working day or that people shouldn’t do any work for free?

And that's universal, is it, this amazing work ethic to make sure everyone is seen? My last 3 dental appointments have been booked for 8.30 and the dentist was 20 minutes late for 2 of the 3. I don't really care if she then worked 30 minutes late - didn't help me much. If she can't do half 8 she shouldn't offer it.

Well perhaps she decided that as your appointment was 8.30, that was the time she should arrive at work 🤣

She walked in past me in reception at 8.50. she was physically late, not chilling in her office.

Not sure of the relevance of this - if it is her work ethic you are questioning or her timekeeping?

I'm questioning you saying "professionals" wouldn't down tools on the dot of their working day as opposed to us lowly hourly workers because they have a better work ethic, when my dentist can't be arsed to arrive on time.

I was talking in general, i don’t know your dentist personally so can’t really give an opinion on her work ethic.

I reckon this is where most of these extra 15/30 mins come from: NMW jobs where the employer is just trying to squeeze extra unpaid time out of workers who are already badly paid and need a job.
And that's illegal and it's wrong.

I guess the good thing about a minimum wage job is she can take it, allow her employer to breach minimum wage legislation and then get them done for it because any dismissal after complaining would be automatically unfair.

I dont have an issue with it. Largely because i absolutely do fuck about for 15 mins getting a coffee before i start working and have no intention of pretending otherwise.