15 Minutes expected before you begin

[ThatPearlkitty]

Inspired by another thread but a separate topic when eg the role is 9 to 5 paid hourly then why do some employers want people eg 15 mins before your actual start time why dont they pay for your time before then, yes i understand most roles is necessary eg coat, get ready for the day etc but then its free labour ?

I know people who can claim flexi so they arrive 15 mins early every day and then will stay 15 mins late - usually to avoid traffic - so get an extra 2.5 hours of flexi each week so then take a day off each month.

They are not actually working but as it's done on a clock card system they are 'entitled'.

I arrive maybe 10 minutes work so I am ready to work at 9am. Coat away, coffee made, Laptop switched on.

Same at 5pm. I only turn it off at 5pm. It might take me 10 mins to gather my belongings and clock out. I don't have flexi and don't expect to be paid for the time arriving/leaving.

similar reasons karl marx did his writings, i care about the people

@LiviaDrusillaAugusta
People waste time going to the loo/ getting coffee? You know employees are actual humans, right?

Most people, if you don’t treat them like they are ‘wasting time’ going to the loo will give more back.

Because I'm not that petty I guess. I also use services staffed by people who are hourly paid. I'd be pretty fucked off if I turned up to M&S or somewhere and found it closed because the staff weren't ready to open up at 7am and were twatting about making a brew and taking their coats off.

then your issue would be with management for not paying them to clock in early

It was to make the point to the people getting petty about a whole 15 minutes that most people spend more than 15 minutes during the day arsing about doing stuff that isn’t strictly work related.

I once worked in a place where you had to clock out to go to the toilet.

"clock out to go to the toilet" thats cold but understandable

I’m just trying to explain that being petty enough to refuse to work ‘for free’ can go both ways.

If you are salaried, a contract often states you work any hours necessary without overtime.

I ask again - would you all be happy for, eg, healthcare professionals to clock watch like that?

ill admit yes your correct, as for the health care professionals id hope the bosses actually paid them to cover the extra time, otherwise yes they could clock in and out on the dot

So if a nurse or doctor or midwife came to the end of their shift, you would be happy for them to clock off on the dot?

Professionals don’t tend to get paid overtime. If you need medical care, you should probably insist on knowing what time their shift ends and insisting they leave on the dot.

Nobody is quibbling the kind of jobs whereby it's very well known from the beginning that you may sometimes have to stay later until the job is properly finished. The issue is purely people not being paid for that extra time that their employers have required of them, or otherwise being able to take time off in lieu when they aren't involved in such urgent tasks.

Moreover I highly doubt there are many surgeons out there who have somebody tapping their watch and berating them for not sticking rigidly to a set time every day - surgeons are often treated like gods.

ive had the excate situation a another nurse came and said they were taking over the duties of the previous nurse so yes i would be happy for them to clock off on the dot,

Which is fine when one can pick up where the other left off,

What if that second nurse should have been there to pick up where the other one left off but is busy buggering about getting changed etc as she didn’t get to work til her start time? Is that okay?

If a doctor is dealing with an emergency situation?

Do you think doctors, lawyers etc get paid for overtime? Of course they don’t.

I don’t know anyone who is salaried (rather than hourly paid) who expects overtime.

When my boss and I had to work til midnight, I didn’t see him putting in an overtime claim 🤣

You find it understandable to be expected to clock off to go to the toilet but not to be ready to start work on time, as the checkout in M&S?

When my DD had her eldest he was born 20 mins after the midwife was due to" clock off". I'm not sure if it would be so great to leave a woman in advanced labour.bevause of the clock

She stayed and delivered him and made sure DD was ok

According to a lot of posters, she should have left your DD to it as they don’t get overtime 🙄

I’m a nurse and if we stay late we don’t get paid for it unless it’s been authorised by a manger. And they will only do that in some circumstances. Jut being busy isn’t a good enough reason and if you’ve not taken a break you won’t get the time back unless you asked for help and didn’t get it. (We never get help for break cover)

that i can respect and understand in that case

in theory yes they could have changed over to another nurse,

morally however it was a very good midwife and a very kind thing to do

Not if one wasn’t available because they turned up at their start time

this is whats partly wrong with modern corporations profits first workers second

there may be a couple of mins overlap but in theory one clocks in and one clocks off

but if im wrong then fair points

A friend discussed her new employment contract today which basically said that having to work an extra 15 to 30 minutes at the end of a shift maybe an operational necessity and does not come with extra pay.

It’s a part time minimum wage job and already it sounds like the extra 15-30 minutes is a regular thing. She needs the money though and it has been a struggle for her to find a position that fits with her caring duties for elderly parents.

thats the puzzlement at times, it can be omg either way plus id expect it may even be more mins etc