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Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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StartingStar · 23/03/2026 07:24

Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

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ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 23:21

StandingSideBySide · 25/03/2026 23:20

No I didnt
I just posted quickly to yours but I have

Already debunked the relevant post in a pp

Edited

That makes no sense.

ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 23:24

StandingSideBySide · 25/03/2026 23:20

No I didnt
I just posted quickly to yours but I have

Already debunked the relevant post in a pp

Edited

I think you wrote quite a lot about the history of the St John Ambulance service.

Humdingerydoo · 25/03/2026 23:29

ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 23:24

I think you wrote quite a lot about the history of the St John Ambulance service.

I don't believe they actually wrote a whole lot.

ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 23:31

Humdingerydoo · 25/03/2026 23:29

I don't believe they actually wrote a whole lot.

I stand corrected 😉

Humdingerydoo · 25/03/2026 23:32

ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 23:31

I stand corrected 😉

Good. Facts matter!

ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 23:33

Humdingerydoo · 25/03/2026 23:32

Good. Facts matter!

True! Fact!
Tovarisch

SSAW2026 · 26/03/2026 07:44

ScribblingPixie · 25/03/2026 22:03

Well one difference is, if there was an arson attack on a St Johns' Ambulance fleet of ambulances, no one would suggest they might have done it themselves for the money. And nor would others rush to that person's defence, calling it free speech.

This.

Hence the difference, the victim blaming, conspiracy theories, false flag, so much hatred.

SSAW2026 · 26/03/2026 07:48

ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 22:33

BBC News - Two men arrested over Jewish charity ambulance arson attacks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3v6rx6dxz6o
I'm just reposting this for those who missed it and/or only get information from tiktok or somesuch. The term antisemitic attack is used clearly. Should there be any doubt.

Yes an anti semitic attack. Thankfully arrested quickly.

(You mean, the Jewish people didn't do it themselves then, as per a poster with the false flag claim...... 🙄 )

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 07:54

SSAW2026 · 26/03/2026 07:48

Yes an anti semitic attack. Thankfully arrested quickly.

(You mean, the Jewish people didn't do it themselves then, as per a poster with the false flag claim...... 🙄 )

....or an insurance scam 🙄

Misnofitness · 26/03/2026 07:59

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 07:54

....or an insurance scam 🙄

Would your mind go there immediately if it was an attack on a mosque or a St John’s ambulance?

if that, you are the definition of an anti semite

1dayatatime · 26/03/2026 08:17

ScribblingPixie · 25/03/2026 22:03

Well one difference is, if there was an arson attack on a St Johns' Ambulance fleet of ambulances, no one would suggest they might have done it themselves for the money. And nor would others rush to that person's defence, calling it free speech.

Exactly and one of the best posts of this thread.

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 08:19

Misnofitness · 26/03/2026 07:59

Would your mind go there immediately if it was an attack on a mosque or a St John’s ambulance?

if that, you are the definition of an anti semite

Quite. The "alternative explanations" seem to be blaming Jews. Using the tropes of them being dishonest, greedy and grasping. As I said to the poster upthread, did that happen with the Manchester Arena bombing? Was that venue accused of fraud or having a "false flag"? No, because they weren't Jews.
Really vile.

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 08:20

1dayatatime · 26/03/2026 08:17

Exactly and one of the best posts of this thread.

Absolutely. The guise of "free speech" indeed.

SSAW2026 · 26/03/2026 08:21

Misnofitness · 26/03/2026 07:59

Would your mind go there immediately if it was an attack on a mosque or a St John’s ambulance?

if that, you are the definition of an anti semite

Indeed.

If there was an attack on a mosque, I'd immediately hope there were no victims. Then I'd hope they quickly find the people that did it.

GetOffTheCounter · 26/03/2026 08:23

SSAW2026 · 26/03/2026 08:21

Indeed.

If there was an attack on a mosque, I'd immediately hope there were no victims. Then I'd hope they quickly find the people that did it.

Exacrtly. And if Muslim posters posted about their distress and pain I doubt I'd tell them they were imagining the Islamophobia and then try and explain to them that it wasn't really Islamophobic, and they were just over sensitive.

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 08:24

SSAW2026 · 26/03/2026 08:21

Indeed.

If there was an attack on a mosque, I'd immediately hope there were no victims. Then I'd hope they quickly find the people that did it.

Of course. Whose mind would immediately turn to horrible accusations and victim blaming?
Only the racists/Islamophobes.

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 08:25

GetOffTheCounter · 26/03/2026 08:23

Exacrtly. And if Muslim posters posted about their distress and pain I doubt I'd tell them they were imagining the Islamophobia and then try and explain to them that it wasn't really Islamophobic, and they were just over sensitive.

Then wonder why your post was deleted!

EdithStourton · 26/03/2026 08:48

StandingSideBySide · 25/03/2026 22:49

Thanks Edith but I don’t need to ponder because your post
is all quite wrong

They did not deliberately set up in Christian areas just because they were Christian areas
They set up to train Industrial workers in First Aid !

I was a youth member of St John’s ambulance but not a Baptist and in fact peoples religions, including lack thereof, were never questioned

Peoples religion is completely irrelevant in its running and members

here's wiki on the full early days set up, although this can be found anywhere of course

Followed by a few of the non Christian countries that it is fully established in

‘ St John Ambulance was established across the UK starting in 1877 by the Venerable Order of St John to train industrial workers in first aid. The St John Ambulance Association (1877) focused on training, while the Brigade(1887) organized volunteers to provide first aid and ambulance transport at public events, expanding rapidly through local divisions.

Key Stages in UK Expansion:
Foundation & Training (1877): Set up at St John’s Gate, Clerkenwell, to teach first aid to industrial workers lacking medical access.
The Brigade (1887): Formed in Queen Victoria’s Golden Jubilee year, organizing trained volunteers to attend public gatherings, football matches, and national events.
Expansion (Late 19th-Early 20th Century): The organization spread quickly, providing the first ambulance services in many parts of England.
Military & National Support (WWI/WWII): St John worked with the British Red Cross to provide voluntary aid, expanding its presence through wartime service.
Cadets (1922): Formed to train young people aged 11 to 18, increasing the volunteer base across all communities

In 1968, the association and brigade merged to form the modern organization.

….Key early establishments in non-Christian (or multi-faith) countries included:

  • India: Centres were established by 1884.
  • Sri Lanka: The service was established in 1906.
  • Hong Kong: The Association was established in 1884, with the Brigade following in 1916.
  • Malaysia: A presence was established as early as 1908.
  • Singapore: St John Singapore has a long history, focusing on first aid training and public duties.
  • Middle East: The Order founded the St John Eye Hospital in Jerusalem in 1882 to serve all residents, regardless of race or religion.

Key Regional Contexts:

  • Asia-Pacific: St John ambulance services operate in Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Papua New Guinea, and Fiji.
  • Africa: Active in nations such as Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Mauritius, Nigeria, and Eswatini (formerly Swaziland).
  • Caribbean: Active in Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, and Antigua.

The St John Ambulance Association began adapting its training materials and first aid manuals into local languages, such as Urdu, Gujarati, and Tamil, early in its expansion to support local volunteers and industry groups

Edited

I think that you are missing my point.

St John's Ambulance was, at its foundation, a Christian organisation. At the time it began, church attendance in the UK was somewhere between a third and a half of the population each week. Consequently, StJA, as a Christian organisation, had a large pool of potential members, and it was straightforward for it to spread around the country.

Christianity, unlike Judaism, is an evangelical religion. Consequently, Christian missionaries were active in places like Singapore and Malawi from an early date. Organisations like StJA were a natural adjunct to those activities, and I would be very surprised to find out that there was a substantial non-Christian membership of StJA in those countries in the early days.

Its Christian origins have faded into the background now, but they remain key to its foundation and the manner in which it spread.

Hatzolah, otoh, is a Jewish organisation, and thus its chapters are likely to be concentrated in areas with large Jewish populations. Judaism is not an evangelical religion (though it does accept converts), but despite this, Hatzolah will help anyone, of any religion.

Hatzolah is just like StJA in that it will help anyone. It is like StJA in that it was founded in areas with large numbers of people that subscribe to its religious ethic. It is unlike StJA in that Jews don't missionise, and unlike StJA in that its religious ethic remains front and centre.

But it operates like StJA - for anyone who needs it. That's what is important here. That was the point I was trying to make.

And I never said that StJA only exists in Christian areas. You can't 'debunk' things that you don't read properly.

Twiglets1 · 26/03/2026 08:50

So true @ScarlettOYara @SSAW2026 @GetOffTheCounter @ScribblingPixie

EdithStourton · 26/03/2026 08:52

ScarlettOYara · 25/03/2026 22:33

BBC News - Two men arrested over Jewish charity ambulance arson attacks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3v6rx6dxz6o
I'm just reposting this for those who missed it and/or only get information from tiktok or somesuch. The term antisemitic attack is used clearly. Should there be any doubt.

<awaits poster claiming that the BBC is in the pay of Mossad>

Because, you know, it was a random attack, false flag, whatever, not a dangerous display of raging antisemitism.

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 08:55

EdithStourton · 26/03/2026 08:52

<awaits poster claiming that the BBC is in the pay of Mossad>

Because, you know, it was a random attack, false flag, whatever, not a dangerous display of raging antisemitism.

Do you think "top tier Rabbis" would agree?

KittyWilkinson · 26/03/2026 10:13

I want a top tier Rabbi, where do I sign up for spiritual enhancement? Will swap for a pissed off, burned out, complacent, priest and a picture of Padre Pio.

Mazel tov.

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 10:16

KittyWilkinson · 26/03/2026 10:13

I want a top tier Rabbi, where do I sign up for spiritual enhancement? Will swap for a pissed off, burned out, complacent, priest and a picture of Padre Pio.

Mazel tov.

Does the picture show the stigmata? I'll give you 50p for it.
At my church we have a rather disconcerting statue of the Blessed Virgin standing barefoot on a venemous looking reptile. Gives me the creeps.
The Priest is lovely, though.

EdithStourton · 26/03/2026 10:21

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 08:55

Do you think "top tier Rabbis" would agree?

Probably...

KittyWilkinson · 26/03/2026 10:38

ScarlettOYara · 26/03/2026 10:16

Does the picture show the stigmata? I'll give you 50p for it.
At my church we have a rather disconcerting statue of the Blessed Virgin standing barefoot on a venemous looking reptile. Gives me the creeps.
The Priest is lovely, though.

Could it be a cheapo imported version of St. Patrick wearing the wrong outfit?
50p is a done deal.

And more seriously.

The Manchester arena bombing was mentioned upthread. I'm grateful to Hatzolah for their support, without question as to faith, to victims and families that dreadful day.

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